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Old 01-23-2008, 12:18 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Imagining the 10th Dimension

OK Some mind blowing stuff presented fairly simply.
It is great to be reminded that I wasn't crazy as a kid when I would ask my junior-high science teachers this nonsense.
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Old 01-23-2008, 12:32 PM   #2 (permalink)
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My head hurts bad now. That was an amazing watch though.
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Old 01-23-2008, 01:36 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I saw this a little over a year ago, but it's still a fascinating concept and I love the way it was presented.
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Old 01-23-2008, 02:37 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Great presentation! If you liked this, you may want to read "Flatland: A Romance of Many Dimensions", an old classic.
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Old 01-23-2008, 02:50 PM   #5 (permalink)
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So if a person could control the 10th dimension, he could shape our reality?
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Old 01-23-2008, 02:54 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Deep.

So if a person could control the 10th dimension, he could shape our reality?

yes. yes I can.


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Old 01-24-2008, 07:08 AM   #8 (permalink)
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A sound engineer posing as a scientist engages in quack science. This man has confused the many worlds interpretation with dimensional physics. Alternate and parallel universes may be theorized by some, but should not be confused with higher dimensions. Above the fourth, dimensions exist in sizes only dealt with in quantum physics; this video displays a fairly strong grasp up to that point as the fourth (time) dimension in euclidean space represents the length of a vector. The only reason to posit these dimensions as such is to push string theory, which is non-falsifiable and therefore as invalid as competing non-falsifiable theories.

In short, this has nothing to do with science and everything to do with selling books on a subject in which the author has no business claiming to be an authority.
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Old 01-24-2008, 07:49 AM   #9 (permalink)
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well said MSD........now what about dimensions 11,12 and 13?
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Old 01-24-2008, 08:18 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Absolutely great up until 5:01. His understanding of space time is good, and it is explained very clearly.

It's actually very neat theorizing up until 8:00, but then I start to lose him.

"But how can there be anything more than infinity? The answer is..there can be completely different infinities created through initial conditions different from ours."

His explanation is sound, but his use of 'infinity' reveals a misunderstanding. If there are other "endings" potentiated by different beginnings, then they would necessarily be included in "infinity." Furthermore, an infinite line in a lower plane appears as an infinite line in a higher plane. An infinite line in 2D becomes an infinite plane in 3D, but it is still infinite.

Beyond that, his explanations start to become total hyperbole.

And MSD: I'd be with you on the "sound engineer turned scientist to sell a book," were it not for his many disclaimers on the website from which this video originates:

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Although I am 100 per cent committed to the ideas I have created for this project, and the way that it uses current mainstream thinking about the nature of our reality as its jumping off point, I feel it is important to note that the "framework for discussion" that I advance on this website and in the book "Imagining the Tenth Dimension" is not what you would currently be taught in a university physics class. Anyone wanting to know more about the currently established thinking behind physics and cosmology should refer to such excellent books as "Programming the Universe" by Seth Lloyd, "Parallel Worlds" by Michio Kaku, "The Fabric of the Cosmos" by Brian Greene, or "Warped Passages" by Lisa Randall. Other books that strongly connect to the ideas around this project are "I Am a Strange Loop" by Douglas Hofstadter, "This is Your Brain on Music" by Daniel J. Levitin, "Linked" by Albert-Laszlo Barabasi, "Quantum Enigma" by Bruce Rosenblum and Fred Kuttner, and "Everything Forever" by Gevin Giorbran.

I invite you to think of this as a creative exploration that for some people will have a strong and thought-provoking connection to their impression of how the world, the universe, and our conscious perception of reality really works. If you go to tenthdimension.com/forum (or click on "The Forum" from the menu at the left), you will have an opportunity to discuss and debate the cloud of concepts that surround this project.

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Old 01-24-2008, 06:51 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I believe his use of infinity is incorrect, but If I interpret his intentions correctly, i believe that he is meaning infinity being all possible outcomes, not all possibilities.
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Old 01-24-2008, 09:47 PM   #12 (permalink)
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that was a bit too much to process at this hour. i'll try again tomorrow.
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Old 01-24-2008, 10:16 PM   #13 (permalink)
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A sound engineer posing as a scientist engages in quack science. This man has confused the many worlds interpretation with dimensional physics. Alternate and parallel universes may be theorized by some, but should not be confused with higher dimensions. Above the fourth, dimensions exist in sizes only dealt with in quantum physics; this video displays a fairly strong grasp up to that point as the fourth (time) dimension in euclidean space represents the length of a vector. The only reason to posit these dimensions as such is to push string theory, which is non-falsifiable and therefore as invalid as competing non-falsifiable theories.

In short, this has nothing to do with science and everything to do with selling books on a subject in which the author has no business claiming to be an authority.
I should have clicked on this thread earlier, you beat me to it :P

Just caught this one from the comments...

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i had 2 watch this in school 'cause my science teacher wanted to show this to us. it was freaky. i mean, there's another me in a whole different universe? wowzers


Just think how shocked she would be to know that one of those selves is giving me a BJ.
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Old 01-25-2008, 07:30 AM   #14 (permalink)
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An infinity of infinities. We seem to be stuck in one where the laws of physics are much too restrictive. Now if we could just fold this one and hop on another.
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Old 01-25-2008, 09:37 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Excellent! Thanks for sharing.
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Old 01-26-2008, 12:53 AM   #16 (permalink)
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A sound engineer posing as a scientist engages in quack science. This man has confused the many worlds interpretation with dimensional physics. Alternate and parallel universes may be theorized by some, but should not be confused with higher dimensions. Above the fourth, dimensions exist in sizes only dealt with in quantum physics; this video displays a fairly strong grasp up to that point as the fourth (time) dimension in euclidean space represents the length of a vector. The only reason to posit these dimensions as such is to push string theory, which is non-falsifiable and therefore as invalid as competing non-falsifiable theories.

In short, this has nothing to do with science and everything to do with selling books on a subject in which the author has no business claiming to be an authority.
No way am I an expert, but I did watch every Saturday special with Brian Greene, Michio Kaku, and even Sam Niel on the [Discovery] Science Channel. While as far fetched as string theory is, it is the only current theory that can explain the wild inconsistency in our universe- namely the fact that quantum mechanics and relativity go together like cats and water.

I swear if someone posts a picture or a video of a cat loving a bath...

Each time they would explain the many world's theory it was coupled with explanation of extra dimensions. To me that does make sense- space has it's three clearly distinguishable dimensions of height, length, and depth, and we call duration (time) the fourth. If there was a fifth dimension perpendicular to all of those then spacetime would have "freedom" to move along this- alternate sets of spacetime.

Now there very well could/would be an infinite amount of these alternate universes. In mathematics it is perfectly allowable to have different sets of infinities, because your initial conditions of one system could yield infinitely many possibilities, as well as another [stable] system would yield even more possibilities unique from the other.

So instead of infinitely many universes based on our physics, how about "unlimited?" Because any other universe based on alternate [stable] laws of physics would also have unlimited number of possibilities.

Yeah string theory is unprovable, but it really brings back that awe and mystery of the universe that some of us didn't feel while sitting in church. At this point, it is just a theory, but once we get sensitive enough equipment we will be able to observe it's effects, if it is right to begin with.

Till then-

DON'T RUIN MY WORLD!
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Old 01-27-2008, 03:05 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Old 01-27-2008, 03:14 PM   #18 (permalink)
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That cat doesn't look too happy. My analogy is still valid.

Also, a correction above, I really should say that today string theory is practically unprovable. We haven't the technology to measure the effects predicted by string theory. However, that may change in a decade, a century, a millennium---new ideas and new technology are always around the corner.
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Old 01-27-2008, 03:41 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Great presentation! If you liked this, you may want to read "Flatland: A Romance of Many Dimensions", an old classic.
Can't watch the videos here but Flatland-style musings are pretty pointless as is trying to imagine higher dimensions - they are not spatial dimensions so can't ever be comprehended in such a way.
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Old 01-28-2008, 04:13 PM   #20 (permalink)
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It seems that once he gets to the 10th dimension, he's back at particles and therefore it appears as thought the whole thing is a mobius strip and it all begins again...
I love this stuff.
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Old 01-30-2008, 12:41 PM   #21 (permalink)
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