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DaveOrion · 10-31-2007, 07:03 PM

Ya never know what people will say.......

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Wednesday, October 31, 2007
HONOLULU - TV bounty hunter Duane "Dog" Chapman on Wednesday apologized for using the N-word repeatedly in a profanity-laced tirade during a private phone conversation with his son that was recorded and posted online.

Chapman, star of A&E's hit reality series "Dog the Bounty Hunter," responded after The National Enquirer posted a clip of the conversation in which Chapman uses the racial slur in reference to his son's black girlfriend.

The Enquirer and TMZ.com reported A&E suspended production on the series, the cable network's highest rated show, pending an inquiry. A&E did not immediately return phone messages seeking comment.

The recording was first posted online by the Enquirer. It was unclear who recorded the conversation or how the tabloid obtained the 1 1/2-minute clip in which the N-word was used six times. A woman at the Enquirer said no one would be available to comment after hours.

In the conversation, Chapman urges his son to breakup with his girlfriend. He also expresses concern about the girlfriend going public about the TV star's use of the N-word.

"I'm not going to take a chance ever in life of losing everything I've worked for 30 years because some (expletive) n--- heard us say 'n---' and turned us into the Enquirer magazine."

In the clip, Chapman also stated he doesn't care that his son's girlfriend is black and it wasn't about race.

In a statement, the 54-year-old Chapman said he has "utmost respect and aloha for black people who have suffered so much due to racial discrimination and acts of hatred.

"I did not mean to add yet another slap in the face to an entire race of people who have brought so many gifts to this world," he said. "I am ashamed of myself and I pledge to do whatever I can to repair this damage I have caused."

Chapman said, "My sincerest, heartfelt apologies go out to every person I have offended for my regrettable use of very inappropriate language. I am deeply disappointed in myself for speaking out of anger to my son and using such a hateful term in a private phone conversation."

Chapman said the clip was completely taken out of context.

"I was disappointed in his choice of a friend, not due to her race, but her character," he said. "However, I should have never used that term."

Chapman said he is meeting with his spiritual adviser, Rev. Tim Storey, who is black, and hope to meet with other black leaders, "so they can see who I really am and teach me the right thing to do to make things right, again."

"I know that all of my fans are deeply disappointed in me, as well, as I have tried to be a model for doing the right thing," he said. "I did not do the right thing this time, and hope you will forgive me."

The Honolulu-based bounty hunter first grabbed headlines for apprehending serial rapist and Max Factor heir Andrew Luster in Mexico in 2003.

http://home.peoplepc.com/psp/newssto...07103198308976

Kadath · 11-01-2007, 04:43 AM

A&E canned him. Whether his repeated use of racist terms was taken out of context or not, A&E doesn't need the bad press. He's done.

Esoteric · 11-01-2007, 06:01 AM

You would think that while having a private conversation you wouldn't have to worry about being recorded. Not that I'm advocating the use of the N word, but wouldn't this be invasion of his privacy or something of the sort?

Push-Pull · 11-01-2007, 07:06 AM

It's interesting really that celebs don't get away with what "average" people do. If you or I had that conversation, a couple people might get upset, but it would blow over pretty quickly. We certainly wouldn't be consulting with black leaders to discuss how to "make it right". But then, we haven't chosen to live our lives in front of an audience either. When you live in the limelight, you can expect to have your shit under the microscope.

QuasiMondo · 11-01-2007, 07:55 AM

Dog is sorry for having what he said caught on tape. If he had to say it again, he probably would, minus the presence of any recordingd evices. A leopard doesn't change his spots.

Plan9 · 11-01-2007, 08:01 AM

Vulgar language is one thing, but the use of the N-word is another.

I talk like drunken sailor, but I don't use racial slurs.

I'm not racist.

Racial slurs are the calling card of racist people.

shakran · 11-01-2007, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Esoteric

You would think that while having a private conversation you wouldn't have to worry about being recorded. Not that I'm advocating the use of the N word, but wouldn't this be invasion of his privacy or something of the sort?

Depends on the state. Some states are one party consent state, which means only ONE of the people in the conversation has to know it's being recorded.

filtherton · 11-01-2007, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Crompsin

Vulgar language is one thing, but the use of the N-word is another.

I talk like drunken sailor, but I don't use racial slurs.

I'm not racist.

Racial slurs are the calling card of racist people.

I'm saying. Does anyone really think that mel gibson doesn't hate jews?

QuasiMondo · 11-01-2007, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by filtherton

I'm saying. Does anyone really think that mel gibson doesn't hate jews?

Alcohol is the real truth serum. Just remember that.

Baraka_Guru · 11-01-2007, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by QuasiMondo

Alcohol is the real truth serum. Just remember that.

This may not be true of alcoholics.

Glory's Sun · 11-01-2007, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by shakran

Depends on the state. Some states are one party consent state, which means only ONE of the people in the conversation has to know it's being recorded.

He really doesn't have a leg to stand on here if he chooses to take it to court. There is only one provision that he could possibly sue for but I can't think of the exact wording for it at the moment.

About A&E "suspending" the series, the series was already in suspension due to dog promoting his book... so really this is sort of like punishment without any punishment. A&E is going to judge the public reaction, wait for the bad PR to blow over and the show will be back on the air. It will have killer ratings because people who are pissed want to see how reacts and people who love him will watch because well.. they love him.

I don't like the show, but ya know what they say.. there's no such thing as bad publicity.

DaveOrion · 11-01-2007, 04:10 PM

Don Imus may disagree with the bad publicity statement......then again I here he's getting a new show......

The last big publicity stunt for "Dog" was when he was arrested & faced extradition to Mexico for his "apprehension" of Max Factor cosmetics heir Andrew Luster, who had fled the United States in the middle of his trial for drugging and raping a number of women, and was convicted in absentia on 86 counts including multiple rape charges connected to assaults in 1996, 1997 and 2000.

This did seem to be great publicity for "Dog" considering Luster's nefarious criminal career. This newest public scandal may not be as illustrious, & may follow along the same lines as Imus.......

Psycho Dad · 11-01-2007, 05:19 PM

Bad publicity is only good publicity if there aren't throngs calling for advertisers to drop their support. The Hiltons, Spears and Lohans of the world can survive acts of douchebaggery far better than those who rely on corporate sponsorship. CNBC and A&E are never going to worry if the fans will leave these people, only if the advertisers will leave them.

And while I'm as in favor of this word being extinct as a racial slur as the next person, I wish people could could drop this N-word thing.

Reese · 11-01-2007, 05:57 PM

What's the point of having offensive words if we aren't allowed to use them when we want to offend someone?

Plan9 · 11-01-2007, 06:06 PM

CyberMike,

Society has rules, man. Society HAS to have rules, norms, standards... creating our own notions of right and wrong. Without rules... what do we have?

We have the jungle. *makes monkey noises*

...

I'd say that words (racial slurs) are an extension of thoughts and actions.

You don't summon up racial slurs without some kind of forethought or notion about the race issue... and life decisions are based on such thoughts.

I don't want someone that uses racial slurs not because of the word, a mere arbitrary verbal symbol, but because how they think and act in society.

It may be their right to do such, but that doesn't mean I think they should get to use the same oxygen as the rest of us here on Earth who manage to get along with each other regardless of skin color.

tenchi069 · 11-01-2007, 07:00 PM

I don't use racial slurs as I do not want to come off as racist, and I find words used to hurt another persons feelings reprehensible. I will however fight for anyone's right to use any word they wish to use.

Freedom of speech.
The right to say anything you wish, regardless of how immature, assinine (sp?), vulgar, or offensive it is deemed.

A&E also has the ability to choose who it wishes to employ.

The moment we as a society can keep anyone from saying anything, regardless of what, we have lost something dear.

Plan9 · 11-01-2007, 07:06 PM

Nobody is stepping on his 1st Amendment right to be a dickhead.

We're saying that we don't approve of it by firing his racist ass.

Democracy (aka capitalism) in action!

Glory's Sun · 11-01-2007, 07:20 PM

a nigger is a nigger.. no matter what color they happen to be. One race just happend to get the short end of the stick in particular when it comes to that word.. but then that word is a double standard since it's used in that race constantly as a greeting and a badge.

Imus really didn't do anything bad.. he took the PR hit and he's coming back with a new show. I've heard far worse radio personalities use far worse than anything dog or Imus said.. it's called shock jocky. Now I'm not condoning using nigger as a racial slur, but if a person wants to use it as slur then that's his/her right.

For instance, one could say that 'gun owners are the new niggers of society' and the word doesn't constitute a racial slur although many might feel it does. It holds a viable truth. So basically there is no word in the language that should ever be considered obsolete. They all have a use .. it just depends on the people who use them and in what context they use them in.

Most people hear the song title "Rock and Roll Nigger" and automatically assume it's a racial song.. well,, let's hear what Patti Smith (author) has to say about it:

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Still, Smith remained torn between her allegiance to the heroic figures of the male rebel tradition and her desire to unleash a female wildness that obliterates figuration altogether. Nowhere is this more apparent than on 'Rock 'n' Roll Nigger' (Easter). The nigger here is a woman (the title obviously inspired by Yoko Ono's 'Woman is the Nigger of the World'). 'Rock 'n' Roll Nigger' is Smith announcing that female rebellion is the new frontier. In some latent fashion, the song is saying: if hipsters have always wanted to be White Negroes, and woman is the nigger of the world, then why can't female rebellion be the model for all future rebels?

But in a rambling rant halfway through the song, Smith namechecks male innovators (Hendrix, Jesus, Jackson Pollock) as 'niggers,' as though she's casted around for female archetypes of rebellion and come up empty-handed. The sleevenotes declare that 'any man who extends beyond the classic form is a nigger.' This resembles the arguments of theorists like Hélène Cixous, who claim that male avant-gardists like Joyce and Mallarmé were somehow engaged in écriture féminine; they were able to rupture the strictures of patriarchal thought and syntax because they had special access to the 'dark continent' of femininity. Certainly, these poètes maudit and their rock 'n' roll descendants (Morrison, Iggy, Tom Verlaine) were Smith's models. Apart from the black sheep that is 'Rock 'n' Roll Nigger''s original focus (Smith herself), Woman appears in this song only in the form of the 'the infinite sea.'

article: http://www.oceanstar.com/patti/crit/sexrevol.htm

so basically, nigger in and of itself isn't a bad word. It's just that it has been frowned upon because one race has adopted the word in one sense or another and uses it negatively even to themselves.. and that in history it was used in a derogatory way.

For me the word has always meant slow, dumb, lazy and worthless.. so for me that word can apply to any dumb skin tone.

Anyway, this thread is about Dog using it. I'm sure he uses it quite often and will continue to use it to label a sector of race, but I can promise you once the PR blows by.. or even before that.. his stupid show will be back on the air somewhere. Ratings and money are just too powerful in the media machine.

Plan9 · 11-01-2007, 07:26 PM

Great, so I can call people who propagate racial slurs retards as long as I don't offend retarded people.

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Originally Posted by guccilvr

stuff about N-word

Uh, okay. Feel free to go yelling it in the streets? Too bad everybody would misconstrue your general philosophy for blatantly directed racist commentary.

Application, man. Application is what makes things (words) evil.

When was the last time the N-word meant anything else in the US? Oh yeah: never.

Glory's Sun · 11-01-2007, 07:32 PM

yeah it's never meant anything else.. because the word(s) just aren't open for discussion or evolution

that's what's wrong with this country.. we claim to have freedom's but those freedoms are bound only by a stupid past and supposed racial boundry.. so why no evolutionize the theory and start it on a different path?? Black people call each other, or me a nigga or their nigger and it's cool.. say it back and I'm racist. So which is it in that context?? Is it an ok word or not?? You can't really have it both ways if you are only going to put the word into one subcategory that it can be used in. That's vocabulary suicide.

Plan9 · 11-01-2007, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by guccilvr

yeah it's never meant anything else.. because the word(s) just aren't open for discussion or evolution

I'd give both of my nuts to get rid of racism, but it turns out some people like it.

*cues up the White Minority song by Black Flag*

Fuck whitey.

White people: The leading cause of preventable death on the planet.

Kadath · 11-02-2007, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by guccilvr

yeah it's never meant anything else.. because the word(s) just aren't open for discussion or evolution

that's what's wrong with this country.. we claim to have freedom's but those freedoms are bound only by a stupid past and supposed racial boundry.. so why no evolutionize the theory and start it on a different path?? Black people call each other, or me a nigga or their nigger and it's cool.. say it back and I'm racist. So which is it in that context?? Is it an ok word or not?? You can't really have it both ways if you are only going to put the word into one subcategory that it can be used in. That's vocabulary suicide.

People who use the word nigger are ignorant. That's a word you can't take back. I don't see groups of Jews calling each other kike trying to take that back. Some words are just too filled with hate to make into a positive term.

DaveOrion · 11-02-2007, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by guccilvr

yeah it's never meant anything else.. because the word(s) just aren't open for discussion or evolution

that's what's wrong with this country.. we claim to have freedom's but those freedoms are bound only by a stupid past and supposed racial boundry.. so why no evolutionize the theory and start it on a different path?? Black people call each other, or me a nigga or their nigger and it's cool.. say it back and I'm racist. So which is it in that context?? Is it an ok word or not?? You can't really have it both ways if you are only going to put the word into one subcategory that it can be used in. That's vocabulary suicide.

Once again this saved me alot of typing....I'm not the greatest typist on Earth....I posted all of the text to put the bold, italicized quote in context.

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Nigger. It’s probably the most emotionally charged word in the English language... at least when spoken by a white person. When a white person calls a black person “nigger,” it encompasses so much hatred: it’s a reminder of the slave status once held by blacks, a reference to the perception of the black race as inferior, and a composite of all the negative stereotypes associated with blacks; a nigger is lazy, dumb, violent, and generally void of social mores. Yet somehow, the same word (or at least the variation, “nigga”) has been adopted by the black community with such innocuous translations as “brother” or “fellow black man.”

There’s a lot to the “n-word”- enough so that I wouldn’t attempt to address every aspect in this column. What I’d like to do is respond to some of the frequently asked questions and comments about the word nigger that I’ve heard from non-black friends and acquaintances during my life. And I’ll try to answer one of the biggest questions- when can or should the word nigger be used?

From what I can tell, most white people (at least those whom I encounter day to day) simply avoid using nigger altogether. These people usually refer to it only as “the n-word.” I have some white friends who are into hip-hop music, and when reciting the lyrics to a rap song, they’ll even leave out the word “nigga” when it comes up. Seems kinda like spelling out curse words to me, but I understand. I’m guessing these people recognize how highly charged the word is, and figure that as long as they never say the word, in any context, they can’t get in trouble. Sounds logical.

Other white people restrict their use of nigger to a very specific context: the afore-mentioned rap recitation, and repeating something they heard someone else say. This is also completely fine by me: I think only the most hypersensitive blacks would become upset by a white person saying “Did that guy just say nigger?” instead of “Did that guy just use the n-word?”

No, what bothers me is the use of nigger as a derogatory term against blacks (surprise), and the respective justifications given. For example, one I heard a lot as a kid was “Well, there’s black people and there’s niggers.” Of course, the black person the speaker is addressing is invariably one of the “black people” - it’s all the other pants-sagging slang talkers who are the niggers. To the folks who used the black people v. nigger excuse, however, I was pretty sure I was just one number on the volume dial of my Tupac-playing tape deck away from niggerdom at any given time. Thing is, I think some of these folks thought they were being progressive by taking the time to separate black people from the nigger masses. I’m convinced those kids meant to pay me a compliment by including me in their personally certified category of non-nigger black people, but to me it always sounded more like “for being part of an intellectually inferior race of watermelon-slurping monkey descendants... you’re not half bad.”

Perhaps a step up in sophistication, but no less insulting to my intelligence was “a nigger is just a bad, lazy person- they don’t necessarily have to be black.” I remember a friend’s mother telling me I could look nigger up in the dictionary; “Nigger means a thief,” she said. I did look it up. It says “disparaging term for a black person.” But even if it did have a different Webster’s meaning, how often have you heard nigger to describe your run-of-the-mill lazy white or latino person? It’s as though someone can claim “Anyone can be a nigger,” and all of a sudden I’m supposed to step back and say “You mean all this time I’ve been thinking that when people say ‘nigger’ they’re talking about blacks, and really they were just talking about lazy thieves? Boy do I feel silly. I guess there’s just so much overlap that I never noticed. Well, slur on, I say! Far be it from me to stand in the way of your niggerization of society’s derelicts and hooligans.”

Finally, I’d like to address the most oft-heard protest from white people regarding the word nigger. You may know what’s coming. “How come ya’ll can call each other nigger, but you get mad when a white person calls you nigger?” On first glance, it seems that the speaker has identified a fatal contradiction in black people’s use and perception of the word: the same word, spoken by two different parties, resulting in wildly different reactions- it sure sounds like discrimination to me. And isn’t that what all you nig- I mean, black people were so upset about in the first place? But let’s look closer. Pointing out the discrepancy in allowed use of nigger seems to imply perceived unfairness in either one of two things: either white people feel they should also have the right to refer to black people as nigger, or they don’t think black people should be allowed to call each other nigger. And though some white people may feel that the wheels of social progression have wrongfully deprived them free nigger use, I’ll assume that the question intends to expose the apparent irony in black people referring to each other with a term that was originally intended to be derogatory towards their race.

Truthfully, I don’t think that black people calling each other nigger is that ironic or hard to figure out (actually should be “nigga”- I’ve never heard the “er” enunciated when used in this context). I think a sociologist’s explanation might be: “What better way to diffuse the power of a word that has caused so much pain than to adopt the word, claim nigger for black use, but translate it as something like “fellow black man”, something engendering racial solidarity?” A comparative analysis could point out that some gays will refer to homosexuals as queers or even fags, as a sort of “you can’t hurt us with that word anymore” statement. Common sense relates it to a family situation: I can call my sister a bitch cause she’s my sister- you don’t have the right to do that. My gut reaction to the protest against black people calling each other nigger is probably the least sophisticated: why do you care? But after lots of thought, I’ve found the correct answer: it’s all about intent.

As an attorney, I feel compelled to give an example that shows the importance of intent when a questionable act is done. Say you run over someone in your car and kill them. This could be anything from 1st degree murder (waiting outside someone’s house, planning to run them over when they walk out), to misdemeanor vehicular homicide (accidentally hitting a pedestrian while speeding), to justifiable homicide (running over the carjacker who’s shooting into your car). Same act, same result, but you could get anything from the death penalty, to no penalty at all. That’s how I look at it with using the word nigger. Yelling nigger while lynching a black guy- 1st degree niggercide; telling a nigger joke around your redneck friends- conspiracy to niggerize; singing along with a 50-cent song and failing to pause for the n-word- unintentional niggation, maybe? Regardless, I think it might be a good idea to have the rules spelled out. After all, using the word nigger is like having unprotected sex- it may never be totally OK, but it’s a lot safer if you know what you’re getting into.

http://aarontalks.com/niggers.html

Plan9 · 11-02-2007, 08:15 AM

*takes his shirt off, twirls it around his head like a helicopter*

Thanks, Dave.

StanT · 11-02-2007, 09:34 AM

You can take the trailer trash out of the trailer, but ...

The_Jazz · 11-02-2007, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by StanT

You can take the trailer trash out of the trailer, but ...

you can't make it marry Britney Spears.

/off topic

Psycho Dad · 11-02-2007, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by StanT

You can take the trailer trash out of the trailer, but ...

Too bad all racists aren't trailer trash. Then again, don't assume all trailer trash are racist. I'm just sayin'...

xxxafterglow · 11-02-2007, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by guccilvr

yeah it's never meant anything else.. because the word(s) just aren't open for discussion or evolution

that's what's wrong with this country.. we claim to have freedom's but those freedoms are bound only by a stupid past and supposed racial boundry.. so why no evolutionize the theory and start it on a different path?? Black people call each other, or me a nigga or their nigger and it's cool.. say it back and I'm racist. So which is it in that context?? Is it an ok word or not?? You can't really have it both ways if you are only going to put the word into one subcategory that it can be used in. That's vocabulary suicide.

Mmm hmm go tell that to the next black person you see.

Glory's Sun · 11-05-2007, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by xxxafterglow

Mmm hmm go tell that to the next black person you see.

have had plenty of discussions of this sort with black people.. and white people and asian people blah blah blah.

Look, I'm not saying a racist slur isn't stupid.. I'm merely saying that people who are going to use it can use it how they want. It's not ignorance unless you use it and don't know what it is or why you use it. I'm just sick of hearing about it being a racial slur when the race that opposes the use of the slur uses it constantly. It's really not a hard concept.

For people to sit here and say that if a person uses a word such as nigger.. or chink or spic or whatever that they are automatically racist, or ignorant. That.. is ignorant.

Kadath · 11-05-2007, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by guccilvr

For people to sit here and say that if a person uses a word such as nigger.. or chink or spic or whatever that they are automatically racist, or ignorant. That.. is ignorant.

Now there's an argument that could recurse forever:"You're ignorant for saying I'm ignorant."

Glory's Sun · 11-05-2007, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Kadath

Now there's an argument that could recurse forever:"You're ignorant for saying I'm ignorant."

that's the point..

Kadath · 11-05-2007, 12:10 PM

So you deliberately created an endless loop? Well, I have bad news! I am not a robot, so you can't destroy me that way!

Plan9 · 11-05-2007, 12:20 PM

BEEP BOOP TWEET BEEEP

Would... you... like... to... play... a... game?

Ustwo · 11-05-2007, 01:41 PM

I don't really care about Dog the bounty hunter, one way or another.

Whats interesting is in the power of a word.

As long as people keep reacting to the 'N-Word' as if it was the most deadly of all insults, it will continue to be one, and it will continue to be used as one.

Really its quite pathetic. No word has that sort of power over me, there is nothing you can call me which will have me out rioting or demanding someone get fired. The words have no power as I do not allow them to have power.

Perhaps this is a motivation for using nigger (gasp I didn't say the n-word) in hip hop or casual conversation. Maybe its unconscious, but its a way to stop the word from having to much power.

Nigger to Colored to Black to African American to ?

Its time for people to just say 'yea and?' rather then taking offense at the word itself. To do so implies inferiority, which is the whole point of those who use it maliciously.

Plan9 · 11-05-2007, 01:45 PM

Not just a word, but many words.

If I got on TeeVee and said "Colored people" or "Negro"... I'd be booted, too. Be called a racist dinosaur or something along those lines.

Hell, if I referred to black people as "them" it would be probably be misconstrued.

It isn't a word problem, it's a context problem.

We don't have a way to put things in the right context because everybody jumps at words and fuhgetaboutit with the point of the discussion.

How the hell does a white person refer to a black person without being misconstrued as being racist?

...

Lousy example: I decide that I don't like current racial terms so I create my own:

Crompsin: "Okay, people with my pigmentation will be Group A and people with your pigmentation with be Group B."

Sharpton: "What!? Why do we have to be group B?!"

Crompsin: "They're just arbitrary symbols! Jesus... okay, you can be Group A and I'll be Group B."

Sharpton: "What!? You think we can't earn our Group A... that you have to give it to us?"

Crompsin: "No, I just wanted to see if I could use diff..."

Sharpton: "I resent that you have confined my entire race to a letter!"

Crompsin: *performs a "Hitler double-whammy" w/ cyanide capsules and handgun*

...

I say black. I'm dating a black girl that says she's black. I'm probably wrong. I just hope I'm wrong because I'm not educated in the matter... not because I'm white.

We have vocabulary issues and then we have context issues.

In the words of Stephen King: What a fuck-a-roo this has turned out to be.

Ustwo · 11-06-2007, 03:42 PM

http://www.mypartypost.com/watchvide..._Niggar_Family

I think this fits rather perfectly.

Plan9 · 11-06-2007, 04:00 PM

You forgot the comprehensive race / gender education provided by Peanuts in the following clip:

Peanuts Race / Gender education

HIGHLY NSFW

11-01-2007, 04:43 AM	#2 (permalink)
Kadath Muffled Location: Camazotz	A&E canned him. Whether his repeated use of racist terms was taken out of context or not, A&E doesn't need the bad press. He's done. __________________ it's quiet in here

11-01-2007, 07:06 AM	#4 (permalink)
Push-Pull I'll ask when I'm ready.... Location: Firmly in the middle....	It's interesting really that celebs don't get away with what "average" people do. If you or I had that conversation, a couple people might get upset, but it would blow over pretty quickly. We certainly wouldn't be consulting with black leaders to discuss how to "make it right". But then, we haven't chosen to live our lives in front of an audience either. When you live in the limelight, you can expect to have your shit under the microscope. __________________ "No laws, no matter how rigidly enforced, can protect a person from their own stupidity." -Me- "Some people are like Slinkies..... They are not really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs." -Unknown- DAMMIT! -Jack Bauer-

11-01-2007, 07:55 AM	#5 (permalink)
QuasiMondo Wise-ass Latino Location: Pretoria (Tshwane), RSA	Dog is sorry for having what he said caught on tape. If he had to say it again, he probably would, minus the presence of any recordingd evices. A leopard doesn't change his spots. __________________ Cameron originally envisioned the Terminator as a small, unremarkable man, giving it the ability to blend in more easily. As a result, his first choice for the part was Lance Henriksen. O. J. Simpson was on the shortlist but Cameron did not think that such a nice guy could be a ruthless killer. -From the Collector's Edition DVD of The Terminator

11-01-2007, 08:01 AM	#6 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	Vulgar language is one thing, but the use of the N-word is another. I talk like drunken sailor, but I don't use racial slurs. I'm not racist. Racial slurs are the calling card of racist people. __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake."

11-01-2007, 04:10 PM	#12 (permalink)
DaveOrion Playing With Fire Location: Disaster Area	Don Imus may disagree with the bad publicity statement......then again I here he's getting a new show...... The last big publicity stunt for "Dog" was when he was arrested & faced extradition to Mexico for his "apprehension" of Max Factor cosmetics heir Andrew Luster, who had fled the United States in the middle of his trial for drugging and raping a number of women, and was convicted in absentia on 86 counts including multiple rape charges connected to assaults in 1996, 1997 and 2000. This did seem to be great publicity for "Dog" considering Luster's nefarious criminal career. This newest public scandal may not be as illustrious, & may follow along the same lines as Imus....... __________________ *Syriana*...have you ever tried liquid MDMA?....Liquid MDMA? No....Arash, when you wanna do this?.....After prayer...

11-01-2007, 06:01 AM	#3 (permalink)
Esoteric Tired Location: Florida	You would think that while having a private conversation you wouldn't have to worry about being recorded. Not that I'm advocating the use of the N word, but wouldn't this be invasion of his privacy or something of the sort?

11-01-2007, 05:19 PM	#13 (permalink)
Psycho Dad Mulletproof Location: Some nucking fut house.	Bad publicity is only good publicity if there aren't throngs calling for advertisers to drop their support. The Hiltons, Spears and Lohans of the world can survive acts of douchebaggery far better than those who rely on corporate sponsorship. CNBC and A&E are never going to worry if the fans will leave these people, only if the advertisers will leave them. And while I'm as in favor of this word being extinct as a racial slur as the next person, I wish people could could drop this N-word thing. __________________ Don't always trust the opinions of experts.

11-01-2007, 05:57 PM	#14 (permalink)
Reese Delicious	What's the point of having offensive words if we aren't allowed to use them when we want to offend someone? __________________ “It is better to be rich and healthy than poor and sick” - Dave Barry

11-01-2007, 06:06 PM	#15 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	CyberMike, Society has rules, man. Society HAS to have rules, norms, standards... creating our own notions of right and wrong. Without rules... what do we have? We have the jungle. *makes monkey noises* ... I'd say that words (racial slurs) are an extension of thoughts and actions. You don't summon up racial slurs without some kind of forethought or notion about the race issue... and life decisions are based on such thoughts. I don't want someone that uses racial slurs not because of the word, a mere arbitrary verbal symbol, but because how they think and act in society. It may be their right to do such, but that doesn't mean I think they should get to use the same oxygen as the rest of us here on Earth who manage to get along with each other regardless of skin color. __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake."

11-01-2007, 07:00 PM	#16 (permalink)
tenchi069 Lost Location: One step closer to the padded cell...	I don't use racial slurs as I do not want to come off as racist, and I find words used to hurt another persons feelings reprehensible. I will however fight for anyone's right to use any word they wish to use. Freedom of speech. The right to say anything you wish, regardless of how immature, assinine (sp?), vulgar, or offensive it is deemed. A&E also has the ability to choose who it wishes to employ. The moment we as a society can keep anyone from saying anything, regardless of what, we have lost something dear. __________________ ERROR- PLBSAK Problem Lies Between Seat and Keyboard.

11-01-2007, 07:06 PM	#17 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	Nobody is stepping on his 1st Amendment right to be a dickhead. We're saying that we don't approve of it by firing his racist ass. Democracy (aka capitalism) in action! __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake."

11-01-2007, 07:32 PM	#20 (permalink)
Glory's Sun Registered User	yeah it's never meant anything else.. because the word(s) just aren't open for discussion or evolution that's what's wrong with this country.. we claim to have freedom's but those freedoms are bound only by a stupid past and supposed racial boundry.. so why no evolutionize the theory and start it on a different path?? Black people call each other, or me a nigga or their nigger and it's cool.. say it back and I'm racist. So which is it in that context?? Is it an ok word or not?? You can't really have it both ways if you are only going to put the word into one subcategory that it can be used in. That's vocabulary suicide.

11-02-2007, 08:15 AM	#24 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	*takes his shirt off, twirls it around his head like a helicopter* Thanks, Dave. __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake."

11-02-2007, 09:34 AM	#25 (permalink)
StanT © Location: Colorado	You can take the trailer trash out of the trailer, but ...

11-05-2007, 12:10 PM	#32 (permalink)
Kadath Muffled Location: Camazotz	So you deliberately created an endless loop? Well, I have bad news! I am not a robot, so you can't destroy me that way! __________________ it's quiet in here

11-05-2007, 12:20 PM	#33 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	BEEP BOOP TWEET BEEEP Would... you... like... to... play... a... game? __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake."

11-05-2007, 01:41 PM	#34 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	I don't really care about Dog the bounty hunter, one way or another. Whats interesting is in the power of a word. As long as people keep reacting to the 'N-Word' as if it was the most deadly of all insults, it will continue to be one, and it will continue to be used as one. Really its quite pathetic. No word has that sort of power over me, there is nothing you can call me which will have me out rioting or demanding someone get fired. The words have no power as I do not allow them to have power. Perhaps this is a motivation for using nigger (gasp I didn't say the n-word) in hip hop or casual conversation. Maybe its unconscious, but its a way to stop the word from having to much power. Nigger to Colored to Black to African American to ? Its time for people to just say 'yea and?' rather then taking offense at the word itself. To do so implies inferiority, which is the whole point of those who use it maliciously. __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.

11-05-2007, 01:45 PM	#35 (permalink)
Plan9 I Confess a Shiver	Not just a word, but many words. If I got on TeeVee and said "Colored people" or "Negro"... I'd be booted, too. Be called a racist dinosaur or something along those lines. Hell, if I referred to black people as "them" it would be probably be misconstrued. It isn't a word problem, it's a context problem. We don't have a way to put things in the right context because everybody jumps at words and fuhgetaboutit with the point of the discussion. How the hell does a white person refer to a black person without being misconstrued as being racist? ... Lousy example: I decide that I don't like current racial terms so I create my own: Crompsin: "Okay, people with my pigmentation will be Group A and people with your pigmentation with be Group B." Sharpton: "What!? Why do we have to be group B?!" Crompsin: "They're just arbitrary symbols! Jesus... okay, you can be Group A and I'll be Group B." Sharpton: "What!? You think we can't earn our Group A... that you have to give it to us?" Crompsin: "No, I just wanted to see if I could use diff..." Sharpton: "I resent that you have confined my entire race to a letter!" Crompsin: *performs a "Hitler double-whammy" w/ cyanide capsules and handgun* ... I say black. I'm dating a black girl that says she's black. I'm probably wrong. I just hope I'm wrong because I'm not educated in the matter... not because I'm white. We have vocabulary issues and then we have context issues. In the words of Stephen King: What a fuck-a-roo this has turned out to be. __________________ *Whatever you can carry.* "You should not drink... and bake." Last edited by Plan9; 11-05-2007 at 02:06 PM..

11-06-2007, 03:42 PM	#36 (permalink)
Ustwo Pissing in the cornflakes	http://www.mypartypost.com/watchvide..._Niggar_Family I think this fits rather perfectly. __________________ Agents of the enemies who hold office in our own government, who attempt to eliminate our "freedoms" and our "right to know" are posting among us, I fear.....on this very forum. - host Obama - Know a Man by the friends he keeps.