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Originally posted by Averett
I'm torn. I feel like I should see it. I'm Catholic but by no means am I religious. I haven't been to church for services in ages. But I think I should see it.
But I don't know if I could handle it. Generally I'm not a fan of violent movies, except when the violence is warrented (Saving Private Ryan etc.). I may wait to rent it, that way I can watch in installments.
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I think historically displaying crucifixion, which did take place, is pretty warrented. Although, as some others have mentioned, it appears he has favored historical inaccuracies in the bible (such as the nails in the hands) over actual historical accuracy.
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Originally posted by slvrnblck
“There is no salvation for those outside the Church,” Gibson replied. “I believe it.”
Does this mean that since im Muslim I will go to hell? Someone explain this to me please. Ive been so lost lately, depressed really, trying to find out what my purpose on earth is, im in need of desperate soul searching.. I believe in god but I am "outside the church", Am I damned forever?
P.S Although im Muslim, I am not religous at all. I dont know the practices of any religion actually, but like I said, I believe there is one god, and religion is BS to me. Someone enlighten me on what I have to do to reach the gates of heaven.
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Originally posted by slvrnblck
So if I dont believe in Jesus, I will go to hell? This doesnt really answer my question, or maybe it does and im to dumb to realize it. I give up, I need to find the truth myself somehow.
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No, you will not go to Hell for not believing in Jesus. At least, that's not what the Catholic Church believes (ignore anything Mel Gibson has to say). To answer your question (although, admittedly, it doesn't pertain to this thread), from a Catholic standpoint, a person is perfectly capable of being "saved" while believing in a religion other than Christianity. You can think of it like a Venn diagram. The Catholic Church believes God's Truth is present in most all world religions, but the Catholic Church is the one that has the fullness of the Truth. So, if you picture the Truth of God as 3 circles which overlap at some points, different religions will lay somewhere in those circles containing some Truth, but Catholicism is located where all of the Truth converges together. I hope that was a clear answer to your question.
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Originally posted by sailor
Several things. First, yes--according the the teachings of the bible, you will go to Hell. But to answer the question, yes--the Bible states that you must accept Jesus.
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Only if you interpret the Bible literally which is the quickest and easiest way to bastardize its message IMO. The people of the time the Bible was written did not speak in literal terms and it's flat out ignorant really to attempt to apply our modern understandings of words to their ancient texts.
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Originally posted by filtherton
I think it will be unfortunate if this movie becomes the de facto version of this story for lazy christians. Since from what i've heard many people say he clearly took liberties with what the bible actually says and made the movie to reflect his fringe catholic ideology.
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Sadly, I agree. Let's just say there's a reason Mel Gibson's brand of "catholicism" (intentionally in quotes) is not something officially accepted by the Catholic Church. Historically, from what I gather, this movie lacks much accuracy. The unfortunate thing is not that, but the fact that it's made in such a way that many people will look at it as a historical account rather than a metaphorical, interprative account. Was Jesus crucified? Sure. Was it as brutal as is portrayed? Most definitely. Was Pilate a hesitant player in the process? Hell no. As was mentioned before, Pilate was a ruthless dictator - so ruthless that even the Romans didn't like him. Histoprically speaking, Jesus was more than likely not crucified because the Jewish high priests didn't like him, but because the Romans saw him as a threat to the establishment. The Romans had a tight rule over the Jews, taking away their land and such - something the Jews barely understood the concept of since they considered themselves stewards of the land and not "owners" per se. The Romans saw Jesus as a threat in that he was uniting Jews together in support of one another, thus he was a threat to the Roman establishment and a risk to causing another uprising as had happened in the past. The Jewish high priests did take part in the crucifixion of Jesus because, frankly, they benefitted from working with the Romans and didn't want to see the current peace affected. Better to turn in one of their own than lose their positions from an uprising of many. Thus, the high priests didn't like Jesus either since he basically "caused trouble." But, and I didn't see the movie, from what I understand it portrays it as if the Romans were reluctant - almost obeying the wills of the high priests - and that there was a small "mob" of Jews that wanted to see Jesus crucified. Similarly inaccurate is the horrible portrayal of the mob yelling "crucify him!" That more than likely never occured. The Bible gets a bit of an anti-semitical bent from the time in which it was written. When still under Roman rule, does it make sense to write about how the Romans were brutal and ruthless in killing the person you worship, or is it easier to play towards people's resentment at the high priests anyways and focus more on their active role? The point is, ultimately, as far as the Bible's concerned it doesn't matter WHO killed Jesus, so long as they were humans. As others have pointed out, the more important point is that Jesus died for the sake of all humanity. Although, I fear many people will come out of this movie having viewed it as historically accurate and think that Jesus was killed by a "mob" Jews along with the high priests basically strong-arming a "reluctant" Pilate. That's about as far from historically accurate as you can get concerning the question of "who" killed Jesus.