The primary points of what you have said Ustwo
* Liberalism needs converted from, cause, liberals really are savages.
* Liberalism is inherently wrong, and those who identify as such are corrupted in spirit and can't use logic. It always fails, regardless of the fact that liberalism is the sole reason womens suffrage and the civil rights act/movement and the New Deal existed(as three high profile examples). As well as the irony of you having the first truly progressive (which is just another word for liberal) President as your avatar. I don't think Old Bully would like to hear you trash his philosophical brethren.
* You can't talk to a liberal, liberals are thick headed and rutted in an ideology. Mostly because liberals are emotional. (just like women)
* You try to compromise and come to a solution but the liberals always want more so you are forced to hand the liberals their asses on a platter.
* Finally, we should find the liberals leaders, kill them and convert their followers to Conservatism.
Ok, I think that about sums up your two posts. Points covering your last post first, then your first post last.
Now tell me, does it embarass you at all for someone to point our your partisan self agrandizing self in a thread where the Originator says:
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I wonder if this will be just another opportunity to continue to justify the partisan bashfest? My hope is that this can be a positive thread in this problematically negative Forum.
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All you do for two of the threads four posts is bash liberals for being liberal.
Ustwo, you never post in the tradition of Sisyphus. Narcissus is your forebear.
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To ART, I will disagree with one point of yours
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The very old and very tired shibboleth - of criticism being the way that governments are held responsible to their citizenries is so overused as an excuse to carry on the constant campaign
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Anything that was deliberately enumerated in the Constitution such as the right to address grievances, which is a nice way of saying argue and criticise decisions you don't like, says to me that the Framers thought it an important right. And I think they would be upset to hear Americans today think it is a right that goes too far.
Criticism is the most powerful way the common man can help to induce change in a nation. Lawmakers can use positive, constructive discussion, but for the average american a cacophany of voices brings change much faster.