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Old 02-19-2004, 07:59 AM   #10 (permalink)
onetime2
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Originally posted by Pacifier
as for germnay we then were already closer to the western societies than afghanistan and iraq are now. we also had no internal conflicts like there are afghanistan or iraq. Plus Germany was increbible "war tried" and tired of a dictatorship.
we already had some sort of experience with "democracy" (Weimar Republic). Our religion was the same as yours.

japan was pretty different from america when it comes to ideology.
the japan ideology included a fight "till the end" but when the end was there in was also part of the ideology to fully accept a defeat.
they also had no internal conflicts.

In Afghanistan and Iraq you have a religion which is very different from the west. The ideology is very different, also in both nations there are heavy internal conflicts which are, for us, hard to understand and therefore to difficult solve (in Iraq for instance I'm afraid we will see a civil war that will divide the land, perhaps even with a kurd nation in the north witch will also affect Turkey. It seems that the US were pretty unaware of those problems when they moved in). This makes nationbuilding extremely difficult and dangerous. Both strongly opposes the westen nations and civilisation in general. Nationbuilding in those nation may still be possible, but I think the west had no real plan and not real knowledge about the situation and what will happen after the "liberation" so they now seem somewhat lost. What they did seemed to be a bit chaotic and more like "try and error"
Iraq is among the most "westernized" nation in the middle east. Every country has internal conflicts and all countries, when going through a rebuilding process, have internal threats to stability. Every faction within the country tries to garner the best position and it can easily turn to violence. The transition from war to peace in Germany and elsewhere was far from easy, just as the changes in Afghanistan and Iraq will be far from easy.
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