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Old 02-11-2004, 11:24 AM   #113 (permalink)
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1st off: I was taught that drugs were illegal. I never experimented with them, even cigarettes. They were bad, they could damage my health and there was no way i could make them any safer...so, i didn't do them. Why..bc i was educated on the matter.

with sex..i was taught that there were risks, STD's, Pregnancy, etc. but i was also taught that it was natural and that there were ways to lessen the risks, std tests, condoms, birth control pills, foam, cream, whatever. As a result of my learning about these risks and ways to overcome, i have avoided any std's and any pregnancies. I admit that i would probably have had sex at the same time with or without this education, hard to tell, but at least i knew what i was getting into in both instances.

So to say condoms=fornication is ludicrous, and i'm not talking about a rapper with HUGE hair...Condoms=fornication with less risks...sure...Heck, i carried a condom for 4 months on my body at all times...did i use it? Hell no...why? bc...well, bc i was a loser at the time and had no partner (gotta laugh at yourself) But seriously, a lot of people forget that you really do need 2 people for sex. Anyway, I don't know how you can even rationalize that condoms are going to make people have sex. "Oh dear, there is a condom in my pocket, let me go use it"..sorry, doesnt' happen. However, "Oh dear, That guy/girl is HOT...and they are looking at me, lemme go talk to them" has a better chance of ending in coupling and i'd prefer one of those people to be carrying a condom so i don't have to listen to someone bitch that either there is another teenage pregnancy or another teenage abortion.

next up: You really can't have an abortion in the 3rd trimester. At least not from what i've seen/read. At that point, the risk is too high for complications. Your doctor can abort that late only if there is a serious problem that will likely kill the mother, but that choice is up to the mother and doctor or husband/next of kin, depends on who is there. A lady just cant walk into an abortion clinic/doctor's office at 7 months and say, "Hi, i want an abortion" Just not going to happen.

As for the backalley abortion and the stats on clinic abortions as well: Umm..that article was basically saying that legalization doesn't affect the amount of deaths either way:

"As we can see, "Never again" never was. There were not several thousand women losing their lives due to illegal abortions performed by quack doctors. Effective medical treatments helped reduce abortion related deaths and the legalization of abortion never played a significant role (and never will) in affecting the numbers of women who died from legal or illegal abortion-related deaths. That women continue to die from so-called "safe, legal" abortions (perhaps in greater numbers than we know) is a clear indication that abortion is unsafe and hurts women - legal or otherwise."

Ok, it's not safe, neither is lyposuction, breast implantation, or going to a hospital to treat a cold (you'll catch something else in the waiting room) but if its' going to be risky either way and we can keep women in "proper" health clinics, etc, then why would we force them AND THEIR DOCTORS to perform something illegally. I think you just made an outstanding case for why they should be legal. I'd prefer not having my cousin go see a doctor and try to convince him to perform an illegal abortion, or to go see a doctor who performs them on the side. It's just more sanitary, easier to keep track of, and less risky either way. you say 90% of illegal abortions were performed by doctors...make it 99% (1% at least, will still not go) I'd prefer no women went, but i think it is absolutely INSANE to say that they would have to obtain one through a doctor that is working outside the law.

""90% of illegal abortions are being done by physicians. Call them what you will, abortionists, or anything else, they are still physicians, trained as such; ... They must do a pretty good job if the death rate is as low as it is... Abortion, whether therapeutic or illegal, is in the main no longer dangerous, because it is being done well by physicians."
And this proves what? that illegal or not, women will try to obtain abortions. PERIOD. I'd much rather have them do it in the safest conditions possible, a full staff, etc, not just 1 doctor doing everything while no one else is there, etc. I don't see how saying, "Oh, if abortions are illegal, women will still be able to obtain one safely" is a good argument. Maybe it makes you feel warm and fuzzy inside that you're preventing murder, proclaiming "there are no more abortion clinics!"...while you know they are still going on. (i don't mean 'you' personally, i mean you as a general statement of several random people)
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