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I'm not an absolute pacifist, i believe in self defense. At this point i need to qualify self defense because depending on who's spinning it, self defense can range anywhere from defending my person from direct assault to shooting somebody i deemed threatening on the subway because i thought that they might have ill intent and the means to act upon it. I think the former is justified but not the latter. There is a point where the rights(i'm talking about god-given rights, not codified rights) of each individual outweigh my desire to put my mind at ease. At this point i think it fairly misleading to paint our actions in iraq as self defense any more than our friend on the subway.
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As I said to smooth above,
everyone thought Saddam was a real threat, not just Bush and Blair. Personally, I’m still not convinced he wasn’t.
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As for politics, there is a phrase that comes to mind. "The good guy always finishes last." Anyone who claims to have the moral high ground is selling something. I know that there is still morality in politics on the very local level, but the higher up you get the more beholden you are to special interests and political games- the more people you owe favors to. What is moral about that?
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As long as people continue to believe this, it is a self-fulfilling prophecy.
I personally am trying to hold politicians to a higher standard, instead of the lowest common denominator.