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Strange Famous · 02-03-2004, 04:55 AM

To borrow Al Franken's phrase.

Whether the war was right or not, the 45 minutes claim was a lie.

All available intelligence told us this:

Iraq probably had the will to produce chemical weapons, and if they had them they probably would use them as a last defence if invaded.

It was very unlikely Iraq would launch an attack of any kind other than in self defence against an invasion.

Iraq possibly had some parts of its chemical weapons programme surviving.

Iraq did not have the ability to launch a chemical attack at short notice, they lacked both the delivery system and available weapons.

For Blair to approve the 45 minute claim, at best he was a fool, incredibly naive and unintelligent, who allowed hawks to convince him that Iraq had the power to launch a chemical attack at 45 minutes when all available intelligence said that this was not true - and the only supporting intelligence to the claim was from one singular and unreliable source.

More likely, it was a lie - condoned by Blair, to justify his war on Iraq. You dont have to be a pacifist to have a problem with this. Blair could have said "Hussain is a murderer" (this is true), many people in Iraq reject Hussian (Which is true, although they equally reject American/UK imperialism, we cannot claim Hussain was not a hugely corrupt and unpopular leader), we know that he has used chemical weapons in the past, and we fear he may be trying to develop them again... these would be justifications for war in many people's mind.

Instead, Blair lied. It does not matter what the Hutton report says, we know the government can make a report say whatever it wants - the claim that Iraq had chemical weapons they could launch offensively at 45 minutes was a lie. Blair is a liar. This lie was published because, at Blair's request, the document needed to be "sexed up"

The Hutton report is a joke. We can leave out discussions as to whether or not David Kelly was murdered or killed himself - and just make the facts that we know to be the case clear. Either Blair is a monumental dunce, a peerless simpleton, for believing the 45 minute claim which all of the credible intelligence sources told us was incorrect and in the face of all sensible advice and reasoning, or he lied.

Secondly, Blair made a statement to the press while on a plane to Hong Kong, in which he said he had had no part in the name of Dr Kelly being leaked to the press. Dr Kelly was the source who told the BBC that Blairs dodgy dossier did not represent the views of the intelligence that was available - that the 45 minutes claim in the dossier was untrue, and that Blair reasonably must know it to be untrue - and as we have said - he was either unbelievably stupid to believe it to be true when all evidence told him it was not, or he was a liar. As we know, Kelly is now dead, apparently by suicide - although we know that he spoke of the fact he would fear for his life if his name was leaked to the press as the BBC's source.

We know for a fact that this is a lie. The Blair did play a part in the decision to leak Kelly's name to the press. Michael Howard has tried to make Blair repeat the statement in the Commons but he refuses because he knows he would be forced to resign if he did. Quite simply, it is a lie, Blair is a liar.

opinion polls show that roughly 90% of the British people do not trust Blair and believe he is a lying liar - it is a very difficult position for a country to be in. When you cannot trust your leader to tell the truth, when you always suspect that whatever he says may be a lie; when the media knows that if they try to tell the truth and reveal these lies, they will be hit hard, punished... of course, the situation is not unique. In communist Russia, the untruthfullness of the leaders and the weakness of the media was even greater than the UK - but it is a dangerous position we are in, and Blair is becoming more arrogant, he believes now that he is unstoppable - but he must be stopped, the people of Britain must reject Blair and his party of liars.

02-03-2004, 04:55 AM	#1 (permalink)
Strange Famous follower of the child's crusade?	Tony Blair is a Lying Liar who tells Lies To borrow Al Franken's phrase. Whether the war was right or not, the 45 minutes claim was a lie. All available intelligence told us this: Iraq probably had the will to produce chemical weapons, and if they had them they probably would use them as a last defence if invaded. It was very unlikely Iraq would launch an attack of any kind other than in self defence against an invasion. Iraq possibly had some parts of its chemical weapons programme surviving. Iraq did not have the ability to launch a chemical attack at short notice, they lacked both the delivery system and available weapons. For Blair to approve the 45 minute claim, at best he was a fool, incredibly naive and unintelligent, who allowed hawks to convince him that Iraq had the power to launch a chemical attack at 45 minutes when all available intelligence said that this was not true - and the only supporting intelligence to the claim was from one singular and unreliable source. More likely, it was a lie - condoned by Blair, to justify his war on Iraq. You dont have to be a pacifist to have a problem with this. Blair could have said "Hussain is a murderer" (this is true), many people in Iraq reject Hussian (Which is true, although they equally reject American/UK imperialism, we cannot claim Hussain was not a hugely corrupt and unpopular leader), we know that he has used chemical weapons in the past, and we fear he may be trying to develop them again... these would be justifications for war in many people's mind. Instead, Blair lied. It does not matter what the Hutton report says, we know the government can make a report say whatever it wants - the claim that Iraq had chemical weapons they could launch offensively at 45 minutes was a lie. Blair is a liar. This lie was published because, at Blair's request, the document needed to be "sexed up" The Hutton report is a joke. We can leave out discussions as to whether or not David Kelly was murdered or killed himself - and just make the facts that we know to be the case clear. Either Blair is a monumental dunce, a peerless simpleton, for believing the 45 minute claim which all of the credible intelligence sources told us was incorrect and in the face of all sensible advice and reasoning, or he lied. Secondly, Blair made a statement to the press while on a plane to Hong Kong, in which he said he had had no part in the name of Dr Kelly being leaked to the press. Dr Kelly was the source who told the BBC that Blairs dodgy dossier did not represent the views of the intelligence that was available - that the 45 minutes claim in the dossier was untrue, and that Blair reasonably must know it to be untrue - and as we have said - he was either unbelievably stupid to believe it to be true when all evidence told him it was not, or he was a liar. As we know, Kelly is now dead, apparently by suicide - although we know that he spoke of the fact he would fear for his life if his name was leaked to the press as the BBC's source. We know for a fact that this is a lie. The Blair did play a part in the decision to leak Kelly's name to the press. Michael Howard has tried to make Blair repeat the statement in the Commons but he refuses because he knows he would be forced to resign if he did. Quite simply, it is a lie, Blair is a liar. opinion polls show that roughly 90% of the British people do not trust Blair and believe he is a lying liar - it is a very difficult position for a country to be in. When you cannot trust your leader to tell the truth, when you always suspect that whatever he says may be a lie; when the media knows that if they try to tell the truth and reveal these lies, they will be hit hard, punished... of course, the situation is not unique. In communist Russia, the untruthfullness of the leaders and the weakness of the media was even greater than the UK - but it is a dangerous position we are in, and Blair is becoming more arrogant, he believes now that he is unstoppable - but he must be stopped, the people of Britain must reject Blair and his party of liars. __________________ "Do not tell lies, and do not do what you hate, for all things are plain in the sight of Heaven. For nothing hidden will not become manifest, and nothing covered will remain without being uncovered." The Gospel of Thomas