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bermuDa · 01-31-2004, 10:21 PM

I'm afraid I have to disagree there, Mojo. The bible itself is one of the most damning documents against women that exists in religion. The entire goal of the text and the aim of the church is to undermine the power of the "sacred feminine" or divine counterparts to the masculine deities of the older religions that were more established at the time.

Spirituality was closely related to sex; orgasm was like catching a glimpse of god; men were considered spiritually incomplete until they coupled with a female. Women were revered as the bringers of life. Then the new testament came along and switched things around. Eve was instead created from Adam's rib, then she consorted with the devil and got them kicked out of paradise. Woman became responsible for original sin, and during the persecution of "heretics" (the root of heretic being a word meaning "choice"), midwifes were banished, because the pains of childbirth were seen as punishment for what Eve supposedly did.

Women became the devil's partner in sin. The Pentacle (originally the sign of venus and the sacred feminine) was turned into the sign of devil worship. Mary Magdalene became a whore. Priestesses became an unthinkable sacrilege. Not only has the catholic church assured that it would be the only connection between the people and their spirituality, but they made sure that that connection would be wholly masculine in nature.

...no, I don't think the bible paints a particularly fond picture of women, nor has it furthered their place in society. The sense that I get is that men throughout the ages have been fearful of the enormous power of women and the sacred feminine, and so have spent the last couple thousand years trying to deceive their congregations and keep women oppressed. As a result, this has permeated into our society outside of church walls.

In closing, I will quote a common slogan from the cold war, blaming women for communists and sexual deviants: "behind every subversive lurks a woman's misplaced sexuality "

Oh and yes I've read the Da Vinci Code, and it's excellent. It gives me a lot of fuel for the arguments I've been making since I was in high school.

01-31-2004, 10:21 PM	#19 (permalink)
bermuDa don't ignore this--> Location: CA	I'm afraid I have to disagree there, Mojo. The bible itself is one of the most damning documents against women that exists in religion. The entire goal of the text and the aim of the church is to undermine the power of the "sacred feminine" or divine counterparts to the masculine deities of the older religions that were more established at the time. Spirituality was closely related to sex; orgasm was like catching a glimpse of god; men were considered spiritually incomplete until they coupled with a female. Women were revered as the bringers of life. Then the new testament came along and switched things around. Eve was instead created from Adam's rib, then she consorted with the devil and got them kicked out of paradise. Woman became responsible for original sin, and during the persecution of "heretics" (the root of heretic being a word meaning "choice"), midwifes were banished, because the pains of childbirth were seen as punishment for what Eve supposedly did. Women became the devil's partner in sin. The Pentacle (originally the sign of venus and the sacred feminine) was turned into the sign of devil worship. Mary Magdalene became a whore. Priestesses became an unthinkable sacrilege. Not only has the catholic church assured that it would be the only connection between the people and their spirituality, but they made sure that that connection would be wholly masculine in nature. ...no, I don't think the bible paints a particularly fond picture of women, nor has it furthered their place in society. The sense that I get is that men throughout the ages have been fearful of the enormous power of women and the sacred feminine, and so have spent the last couple thousand years trying to deceive their congregations and keep women oppressed. As a result, this has permeated into our society outside of church walls. In closing, I will quote a common slogan from the cold war, blaming women for communists and sexual deviants: "behind every subversive lurks a woman's misplaced sexuality " Oh and yes I've read the Da Vinci Code, and it's excellent. It gives me a lot of fuel for the arguments I've been making since I was in high school. __________________ I am the very model of a moderator gentleman.