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onetime2, thanks for moving this discussion forward with your balanced perspective.
To those of you who won't give an inch on your persistent references to the relevance of pre-WW2 Germany: I'm giving you some perspective on how your extremism sounds to those with whom you are engaging in debate. If your desire is to sound unflinchingly convinced to yourself and others, you're succeeding. If you have any interest in being taken seriously by your opponents, you may want to check the reference to "Godwin's Law."
Godwin's Law prov. [Usenet] "As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one." There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups. However there is also a widely- recognized codicil that any intentional triggering of Godwin's Law in order to invoke its thread-ending effects will be unsuccessful.
It seems we may have broached this boundary and are endlessly circling the wagons.
onetime2 has, in fact, moved the discussion forward for all of us. His synthesis of the polarities of our debate places this thread back into the real world.
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