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illesturban · 01-28-2004, 11:58 AM

First and foremost, I support BFC and Michael Moore.

I'd like to direct most of you here to this article:
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/wackoattacko/

Now I'm sure there will be some people who will simply not believe a thing said there and that's fine, but since every damn link here is against Moore. By the way, I could be saying the EXACT same things about the guy who wrote up the website you guys keep linking to. What kind of authority is he!? He's obviously some right-wing, gun-toting conservative who doesn't want negative things about his industry or affiliations exposed.

I'd like to point out a couple things in the above article:

In the article, he does admit that the Charlton Heston clip where he says "from my cold dead hands" was added from archived news footage...

The Truth: Heston took his NRA show to Denver and did and said exactly what we recounted. From the end of my narration setting up Heston's speech in Denver, with my words, "a big pro-gun rally," every word out of Charlton Heston's mouth was uttered right there in Denver, just 10 days after the Columbine tragedy. But don't take my word – read the transcript of his whole speech. Heston devotes the entire speech to challenging the Denver mayor and mocking the mayor's pleas that the NRA "don't come here." Far from deliberately editing the film to make Heston look worse, I chose to leave most of this out and not make Heston look as evil as he actually was.

Why are these gun nuts upset that their brave NRA leader's words are in my film? You'd think they would be proud of the things he said. Except, when intercut with the words of a grieving father (whose son died at Columbine and happened to be speaking in a protest that same weekend Heston was at the convention center), suddenly Charlton Heston doesn't look so good does he? Especially to the people of Denver (and, the following year, to the people of Flint) who were still in shock over the tragedies when Heston showed up.

As for the clip preceding the Denver speech, when Heston proclaims "from my cold dead hands," this appears as Heston is being introduced in narration. It is Heston's most well-recognized NRA image – hoisting the rifle overhead as he makes his proclamation, as he has done at virtually every political appearance on behalf of the NRA (before and since Columbine). I have merely re-broadcast an image supplied to us by a Denver TV station, an image which the NRA has itself crafted for the media, or, as one article put it, "the mantra of dedicated gun owners" which they "wear on T-shirts, stamp it on the outside of envelopes, e-mail it on the Internet and sometimes shout it over the phone.". Are they now embarrassed by this sick, repulsive image and the words that accompany it?

Finally, I've even been asked about whether the two killers were at bowling class on the morning of the shootings. Well, that's what their teacher told the investigators, and that's what was corroborated by several eyewitness reports of students to the police, the FBI, and the District Attorney's office. I'll tell you who wasn't there -- me! That's why in the film I pose it as a question:

"So did Dylan and Eric show up that morning and bowl two games before moving on to shoot up the school? And did they just chuck the balls down the lane? Did this mean something?"
Of course, it's a silly discussion, and it misses the whole, larger point: that blaming bowling for their killing spree would be as dumb as blaming Marilyn Manson.

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You can actually see from a link to the transcript of Heston's full speech that they DID edit it...they edited it to look better; regardless of how Michael Moore may have edited BFC, the fact remains that Heston DID say those words.

And the fact of the matter is, if you are a gun-toting republican you are not going to like Michael Moore or his writings. But that doesn't mean everything that he publishes is a lie. I happen to believe that the president is crooked and cheated his way into the white house, but hey... that's another story.

I bet half of you writing in here haven't even seen Bowling For Columbine and if you had, you'd realize that whether you agree in part or in whole, that there are several valid and truthful points. Don't be deceived by media that is skewed or even the government that wants you to believe every decision it makes is for the betterment of the country... Yeah and where the hell are those weapons of mass destruction again? oh wait...

01-28-2004, 11:58 AM	#67 (permalink)
illesturban Psycho Location: Lubbock, TX	First and foremost, I support BFC and Michael Moore. I'd like to direct most of you here to this article: http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/wackoattacko/ Now I'm sure there will be some people who will simply not believe a thing said there and that's fine, but since every damn link here is against Moore. By the way, I could be saying the EXACT same things about the guy who wrote up the website you guys keep linking to. What kind of authority is he!? He's obviously some right-wing, gun-toting conservative who doesn't want negative things about his industry or affiliations exposed. I'd like to point out a couple things in the above article: In the article, he does admit that the Charlton Heston clip where he says "from my cold dead hands" was added from archived news footage... The Truth: Heston took his NRA show to Denver and did and said exactly what we recounted. From the end of my narration setting up Heston's speech in Denver, with my words, "a big pro-gun rally," every word out of Charlton Heston's mouth was uttered right there in Denver, just 10 days after the Columbine tragedy. But don't take my word – read the transcript of his whole speech. Heston devotes the entire speech to challenging the Denver mayor and mocking the mayor's pleas that the NRA "don't come here." Far from deliberately editing the film to make Heston look worse, I chose to leave most of this out and not make Heston look as evil as he actually was. Why are these gun nuts upset that their brave NRA leader's words are in my film? You'd think they would be proud of the things he said. Except, when intercut with the words of a grieving father (whose son died at Columbine and happened to be speaking in a protest that same weekend Heston was at the convention center), suddenly Charlton Heston doesn't look so good does he? Especially to the people of Denver (and, the following year, to the people of Flint) who were still in shock over the tragedies when Heston showed up. As for the clip preceding the Denver speech, when Heston proclaims "from my cold dead hands," this appears as Heston is being introduced in narration. It is Heston's most well-recognized NRA image – hoisting the rifle overhead as he makes his proclamation, as he has done at virtually every political appearance on behalf of the NRA (before and since Columbine). I have merely re-broadcast an image supplied to us by a Denver TV station, an image which the NRA has itself crafted for the media, or, as one article put it, "the mantra of dedicated gun owners" which they "wear on T-shirts, stamp it on the outside of envelopes, e-mail it on the Internet and sometimes shout it over the phone.". Are they now embarrassed by this sick, repulsive image and the words that accompany it? Finally, I've even been asked about whether the two killers were at bowling class on the morning of the shootings. Well, that's what their teacher told the investigators, and that's what was corroborated by several eyewitness reports of students to the police, the FBI, and the District Attorney's office. I'll tell you who wasn't there -- me! That's why in the film I pose it as a question: "So did Dylan and Eric show up that morning and bowl two games before moving on to shoot up the school? And did they just chuck the balls down the lane? Did this mean something?" Of course, it's a silly discussion, and it misses the whole, larger point: that blaming bowling for their killing spree would be as dumb as blaming Marilyn Manson. ---------------------------------------------------- You can actually see from a link to the transcript of Heston's full speech that they DID edit it...they edited it to look better; regardless of how Michael Moore may have edited BFC, the fact remains that Heston DID say those words. And the fact of the matter is, if you are a gun-toting republican you are not going to like Michael Moore or his writings. But that doesn't mean everything that he publishes is a lie. I happen to believe that the president is crooked and cheated his way into the white house, but hey... that's another story. I bet half of you writing in here haven't even seen Bowling For Columbine and if you had, you'd realize that whether you agree in part or in whole, that there are several valid and truthful points. Don't be deceived by media that is skewed or even the government that wants you to believe every decision it makes is for the betterment of the country... Yeah and where the hell are those weapons of mass destruction again? oh wait... Last edited by illesturban; 01-28-2004 at 12:02 PM..