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Andy · 01-27-2004, 08:04 PM

I'll start off by mentioning that I don't believe in free will. There's threads on that if you are curious, but I am in total agreement. Based on that, though, it also means that we really are in no control over our actions. Everything is orchestrated and based from past events. If that is the case, then how can God judge us and send us to Heaven or Hell? If you are a murderer, that's because he "created" a murderer. Why should you be punished? And why should you be rewarded if he made you a nice person?

Also, so much of what religious people say about god is entrenched in hypocrisy. I've often asked why God is not to blame for horrid events in the world, often using terrorism as an example. Every time, I am told that after having created us, God allows us to exercise free will and does not change the events in the world. But these same people are the ones who will say "Thank God!" when something good happens to them. Thank him for what? YOU just said he doesn't affect events in the real world. These are the same people who pray and ASK God to change things for them. Does this make any sense? All of a sudden, God is reponsible for all the good in the world, but none of the bad. Good events are not a result of free will, but bad events are. Do I see a double standard here?

Why is it that people are comforted by praying if they are so content in absolving God from all blame? Why are people so willing to believe that they are special and that God will do something for them, even if he supposedly doesn't use his power to change the course of events in the world?

Are people just blind? Do they merely see what they want to see, and believe what they want to believe? Why don't you ask the people who saw the Virgin Mary in a fence post in Australia, a stain in a window in Boston, and in a tree stump in New Jersey? For a virgin, she really gets around.

P.S. I hate when an athlete is interviewed after winning a big game and credits God. Hello?!? Don't you think the other team prayed as well? Maybe they should all stop lifting weights and practicing and just focus on praying. See what happens then.

01-27-2004, 08:04 PM	#32 (permalink)
Andy Upright Location: Cambridge, MA	I'll start off by mentioning that I don't believe in free will. There's threads on that if you are curious, but I am in total agreement. Based on that, though, it also means that we really are in no control over our actions. Everything is orchestrated and based from past events. If that is the case, then how can God judge us and send us to Heaven or Hell? If you are a murderer, that's because he "created" a murderer. Why should you be punished? And why should you be rewarded if he made you a nice person? Also, so much of what religious people say about god is entrenched in hypocrisy. I've often asked why God is not to blame for horrid events in the world, often using terrorism as an example. Every time, I am told that after having created us, God allows us to exercise free will and does not change the events in the world. But these same people are the ones who will say "Thank God!" when something good happens to them. Thank him for what? YOU just said he doesn't affect events in the real world. These are the same people who pray and ASK God to change things for them. Does this make any sense? All of a sudden, God is reponsible for all the good in the world, but none of the bad. Good events are not a result of free will, but bad events are. Do I see a double standard here? Why is it that people are comforted by praying if they are so content in absolving God from all blame? Why are people so willing to believe that they are special and that God will do something for them, even if he supposedly doesn't use his power to change the course of events in the world? Are people just blind? Do they merely see what they want to see, and believe what they want to believe? Why don't you ask the people who saw the Virgin Mary in a fence post in Australia, a stain in a window in Boston, and in a tree stump in New Jersey? For a virgin, she really gets around. P.S. I hate when an athlete is interviewed after winning a big game and credits God. Hello?!? Don't you think the other team prayed as well? Maybe they should all stop lifting weights and practicing and just focus on praying. See what happens then. Last edited by Andy; 01-27-2004 at 08:07 PM..