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in response to Parkers sugestion about the osage orange fruit...
i have also heard of that working. i read it in an article somewhere... for those who dont know what an osage orange is, its also commonly referred to as a "hedge apple." they are the green softball size fruits that look like a brain, and can most commonly be found near farm fields - they used to plant the trees in rows "hedges" to decifer propert lines and cut down on wind...
if you live near a field, you could probably pick those up for free, and give it a try!
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