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This thread is going all over the place.
I still don't think that anyone has shown that, as a whole, atheists are less virtuous than believers. Moreover, you can't compare atheism with theism in the way that you might compare islam and christianity. They're two different things. I happen to believe that secular morality is more genuine, as it is not tied to a benefit after death. Moreover, secular charities exist only to solve problems, and not to improve the image of a church. In addition, secular charities are free from the temptation to use charitible activities to spread a point of view. 12 step programs offered at churches to stop substance abuse participants to accept their religion. Although faith might work for some people, individuals have a right not to be preached to when they are mentally vulnerable, and secular programs have been shown to work.
I don't expect you to agree with me. As far as I'm concerned, your notion that religion makes people better isn't always true. Most atheists I know are very conscious of right and wrong. Perhaps the removal of dogmatism allows more clarity in the consideration of moral problems?
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