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woodhead · 01-23-2004, 02:08 PM

What an amusing thread!

Although I have enjoyed reading some of Plan9's postings, I must admit to being a little shocked by the way he treats the subject of meeting girls and women. When I first began following the thread, I had the feeling that either he was a 14 year old boy on a hormone rush, or possibly a steroid junkie twitching his pecs, or even that he was in the habit of popping a bit of IV cocaine before he posted. I hope that you don't take this as an insult, Plan9, if you are listening: we have all been 14 at one stage or another (except for the younger viewers), and I am certainly in agreement that a shot of coke is a great way to clear the brain, but really, your approach to women leaves a lot to be desired.

I can understand your attraction towards the so-called alpha male profile as a tool for getting laid, but it seems to me that you are taking a tool for analysing the behaviour of gorillas and baboons and simply adapting it for human use. Yes, I admit that your calculated strategies can work, but by omitting the fact that people mostly end up in bed via behaviours which more or less contradict your advice, I think that it would not be unfair to call a 'foul' on most of your advice.

One of my impressions is that you simplify relations as being a game where the man wins if he gets laid. Is that how you really see it? Are your successes in this game the tool by which you have chosen to boost your self-esteem by giving advice to younger, less secure, men? Can you imagine how much you are screwing the world-views (women-views) of the younger men foolish enough to take your advice seriously?

My experience contradicts yours. I don't know why. Perhaps there is something wrong in America. For me, there is no problem in sleeping with my female friends. It happens sometimes. You go out in a group, have an interesting conversation, and end up in bed. If someone doesn't accidentally fall in love, everything continues as normal.

I've never dated anyone really until after we've been to bed, so I don't really understand the American concept of dating.

I have no qualms about showing my feelings to a girl I like. Several times I have been the complete loser in this game only to later find myself wanted on account of my sincerity.

For all of you frustrated geeks - please closely criticise the postings of Plan9. Although within his disgustingly cynical appraisal of man/woman interactions there are some truths, I can't see how their application would healthily feed a relationship.

If you just want to get laid, however, his tricks will work. But how much you will have to lie to yourself?

I'm a decent and honest bloke (not quite a Caring Understanding Nineties Type) and I've slept with most of my female friends and plenty off the streets. In my understanding, Plan9's attitude is a crock of shit. Just be yourself and some girl will find you.

All the best.

01-23-2004, 02:08 PM	#319 (permalink)
woodhead Upright Location: Russia	What an amusing thread! Although I have enjoyed reading some of Plan9's postings, I must admit to being a little shocked by the way he treats the subject of meeting girls and women. When I first began following the thread, I had the feeling that either he was a 14 year old boy on a hormone rush, or possibly a steroid junkie twitching his pecs, or even that he was in the habit of popping a bit of IV cocaine before he posted. I hope that you don't take this as an insult, Plan9, if you are listening: we have all been 14 at one stage or another (except for the younger viewers), and I am certainly in agreement that a shot of coke is a great way to clear the brain, but really, your approach to women leaves a lot to be desired. I can understand your attraction towards the so-called alpha male profile as a tool for getting laid, but it seems to me that you are taking a tool for analysing the behaviour of gorillas and baboons and simply adapting it for human use. Yes, I admit that your calculated strategies can work, but by omitting the fact that people mostly end up in bed via behaviours which more or less contradict your advice, I think that it would not be unfair to call a 'foul' on most of your advice. One of my impressions is that you simplify relations as being a game where the man wins if he gets laid. Is that how you really see it? Are your successes in this game the tool by which you have chosen to boost your self-esteem by giving advice to younger, less secure, men? Can you imagine how much you are screwing the world-views (women-views) of the younger men foolish enough to take your advice seriously? My experience contradicts yours. I don't know why. Perhaps there is something wrong in America. For me, there is no problem in sleeping with my female friends. It happens sometimes. You go out in a group, have an interesting conversation, and end up in bed. If someone doesn't accidentally fall in love, everything continues as normal. I've never dated anyone really until after we've been to bed, so I don't really understand the American concept of dating. I have no qualms about showing my feelings to a girl I like. Several times I have been the complete loser in this game only to later find myself wanted on account of my sincerity. For all of you frustrated geeks - please closely criticise the postings of Plan9. Although within his disgustingly cynical appraisal of man/woman interactions there are some truths, I can't see how their application would healthily feed a relationship. If you just want to get laid, however, his tricks will work. But how much you will have to lie to yourself? I'm a decent and honest bloke (not quite a Caring Understanding Nineties Type) and I've slept with most of my female friends and plenty off the streets. In my understanding, Plan9's attitude is a crock of shit. Just be yourself and some girl will find you. All the best.