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Originally posted by FoolThemAll
I've always taken murder to mean "unjustified killing". (Just replace 'murder' with this if you don't accept that definition.) Thus, war is not necessarily murder and self-defense is certainly not murder. "Lying/stealing for selfish reasons" is most certainly behavior, behavior distinct from "lying/stealing for altruistic reasons". And please, you aren't going to find an uncoerced instance of rape that isn't immoral.
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Coerced or not. Would the moral person rape someone if that meant that five more people wouldn't get raped? Completely hypothetical, but then i think any debate on morals has to be. I guess it depends on whether your morals are flexible to allow you to adapt to new situations on conditions.
Again, you have to consider the bahavior inepentdently to the motivation. Of course when you apply motivations that are inherently immoral to the majority of society to certain behaviors those behaviors seem immoral. Defining murder as "unjustified killing" completely ignores the fact that "justification" is in the eyes of the beholder. Some think all war is immoral, some think some wars are immoral. No doubt there is someone somewhere who thinks war is the ultimate form of morality.