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Originally posted by cheerios
and, since the government is not religiously-affiliated, they have no reason to deny homosexuals marriage, or the right to be gay, for that matter. thank you for wrapping that up nicely.
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I agree.
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Originally posted by filtherton
We're talking about behavior, not the reasoning behind it. It takes only a brief look around this world of ours to find a "moral" justification for murder(war, self-defense), theft(stealing bread to feed the family), and if you want to get purely hypothetical, rape(well, if i didn't rape so and so they said they'd kill five people).
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I've always taken murder to mean "unjustified killing". (Just replace 'murder' with this if you don't accept that definition.) Thus, war is not necessarily murder and self-defense is certainly not murder. "Lying/stealing for selfish reasons" is most certainly behavior, behavior distinct from "lying/stealing for altruistic reasons". And please, you aren't going to find an uncoerced instance of rape that isn't immoral.