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Originally posted by Mantus
If god gave us free will then we should be able to identify it in this world. We should feel it. All we have is a concept, which we attach to actions. Yet the mechanics of these actions contradict the meaning of the concept.
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We do feel it -- where do you think the concept came from? The problem is that over centuries of philosophy, the concept has become reified, so that rather than saying 'Some of our actions are free', some people feel free to compelled to say 'We have a free will'. But you can agree with the first and not the second.
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Now you can say, “we have free will” all you want but that will not convince me. My problem is that I do not comprehend what free will actually is. I see actions, and I can label them as of free will, yet when I dissect them they become things of circumstance.
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I don't understand what you mean by 'things of circumstance'. Could you explain it a bit more?
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Simple, everything is either a caused or a random event. The wonderful thing about infinity is that we do not need to worry about a first or last cause as there is infinite regress and progress.
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First, not everything is an event, therefore, not everything is either a caused or a random event. Second, even if all events are either caused or random, there is a simple way to define a free action. Suppose agent A performs action X. X is free if and only if A caused X. Admittedly, it's more complicated than that, but the idea is that I'm responsible for the causal chains I start or contribute to. If I'm caught up in a causal chain that I neither started nor contributed to, I'm not responsible for my action. Third, even if there is an infinite regress, since, as you say, everything is either caused or random. If the infinite regress is caused, it needs a cause external to the regress. If it's random, there is no meaning in the world, either intrinsic or extrinsic, and we are deceiving ourselves if we think our relationships or anything else we do has meaning.