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point number 2 is certainly a valid argument. but, like everyone else on here... message boards account for a minuscule percentage of life experience. personally, i've encountered similar attitudes in all manner of situations with a full range of reactions and intensities.
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If you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly, you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance for survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.
~ Winston Churchill
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