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Old 01-16-2004, 02:38 PM   #35 (permalink)
Yakk
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Most would hold that in order to be conscious, a thing must first be alive. However, being alive doesn't necessarily mean conscious. Sound right?
For me to agree with this, you'd have to provide a pretty wide definition of life.

Second, what is concious isn't the matter, it is the pattern the matter forms.

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Some, but not all life is conscious. This implies that at some point, humans or the 'lifeforms' we decended from became conscious. NOT POSSIBLE by chance...something, or someone of equal or greater 'consciousness' HAD to cause this. It simply defies all reason that we could evolve, by chance, a consciousness.
You seem to think that consciousness is something magic.

And your arguement consists of "magic can't come from randomness".

I believe we will one day manage to create AI, even if only in the form of genetically engeneered or otherwise enhanced human brains. And one day we will create an AI that is smarter and greater than our own. Parents can raise a child that is smarter than they are, and knowledge can be gained without anyone handing it down.

We will do this through the process of experimentation, otherwise known as randomly or exaustively trying things that could work, biased towards those you think are more likely to work, until you get lucky and find something that does.

It won't take billions of years either.

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Do you accept that I too have a consiousness? How do you know? Because I'm human, no doubt.
Because my model of you in my brain seems to match up with how I imagine those with consciousness's act, and also because I came to the realization decades ago that other humans tended to behave as if they where conscious beings just like me, so I give humans the benefit of the doubt in that regard.

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our logic implies that in order for consciousness to exist, it must exist in human form. Why? Because you are only now experiencing it as a human? Because you cannot 'remember' a consciousness other than the present one?
Nope, I implied that consciousness exists in humans, and that it doesn't exist elsewhere, in my arguement. I was sorta explict about that.

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Consiousness has always existed and always will - it is everywhere.
I believe in the tooth fairy. She told me that humans did evolve, and we recieved consiousness from evolution, and that all my arguements are right. You can't refute my statements, because they aren't based on any kind of rational thought, so that proves I'm right.

However, to be fair, you did answer:
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How do you think it got there?
Your answer works out to "god put it there". Nice of god to place lesser amounts of it in beings that are closely genetically related to us, and leave a record of incremental technological advances up to around 50,000 years ago. Makes it look a hell of alot like evolution put it there, but I guess that's just one of God's jokes. He's good with them, I mean, giant walking lizards? The SUN as the center of the solar system? Microwave background radiation that looks like an extremely hot, small universe? Hydrocarbon slush that forms the basic building blocks upon which our life is based when exposed to lightning? Geological evidence that seems to indicate a (get this!) a multiple billion year old Earth? haha, that kidder!

God. He's a laugh a minute.
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