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Old 01-15-2004, 04:01 PM   #32 (permalink)
Yakk
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Everything has consciousness. It isn't a step in evolution it is the path of evolution. Rocks have consciousness. Rocks are conscious enough to stay rocks.
If you define "consciousness" to be "term with no meaning" or "axiomatically true", then yes, everything has consciousness. Features that everything have are wasted words usually, and wasting such a beautiful concept as consciousness seems a crime.

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both. We still have a lot to figure out as one speices. We are of the lower of species as far as evolution and consciousness.
What evidence do you propose to back your assertion?

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It's not a bad thing, but we have to take a step back and look at the wide spectrum of this world (i.e. not just what others are doing, but what we ourselves are doing) to slow down the process of humankid's evolution.
Why do we want to slow down, or manipulate, the process of humankind's evolution?

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The increased survivability it has granted our species has far outweighed the downsides. We will be able to expand indefinitely thanks to consciousness.
What portion of survivability did it enhance?

Short term, on the order of 10,000s of years, it enhanced our survivability.
Medium term, on the order of 1,000,000s of years, I think it reduced our survivability.
Long term, on the order of 1,000,000,000s of years, I think it increased our survivability.

Survivabilty = % chance that a close genetic decendant will exist.

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The only thing that I find a bit irksome about the whole thing is that [i]we're responsible for many of the "problems that the little critters before us" never had to deal with! So please tell me how having to deal with the problems of our own creation makes us better off than what came before?
Big rocks will hit earth, and wipe out every form of life larger than a newt.

This is a matter of when, not if.

The Dodo was doomed to extinction without us.

The harm we are causing the environment is dangerous because it might screw us up, and intelligent life is potentially a very valuable carrier of information.

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Now, is having that ability a necessary tool towards achieving evolutionary perfection?
What is evolutionary perfection?

Evolution is the process of selection and replication. I know what evolutionary success is, but evolutionary perfection is what again?

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do we want to be organic AI, no goals or aspirations, laughter or sadness, just a willingness to continue forward, go about your routine and survive until your demise.
There is no reason to assume an AI would not be as emotional as a human being would be. We haven't built one, and the only intelligent beings we've met seem to have emotions... So, if we succeeded in artificially building one, based off the only model we know of, we'd probably end up with emotions...

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What a really deep thought. Although I don't think that consciousness 'evolved', we (humans) always had it. Like most that we already know or are aware of, we just had to remember.
Define humans. And always. Because "I don't think that consciousness 'evolved', we (humans) always had it." implies that humans have always existed, and that humans never evolved...

Either that, or your sentance doesn't make sense.

A soup of wet hydrocarbons isn't conscious.
We are.
Somewhere between here and there consciousness arrived on the scene.
How do you think it got there?
(intermedite value theorem)
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