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Old 01-14-2004, 05:10 AM   #40 (permalink)
tiberry
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First - Thank You :::OshnSoul::: for your words of praise. And I just noticed the quote in your .sig, very eloquent way of describing time.

Now, Mantus- I love your last sentence - "So we have a very nice version of God. God is infinite, god is all that was and all that ever will be, and therefore there is no beginning and no end. Cool." - isn't that the generally accepted idea? I am the Alpha and the Omega and all that?

Your rationalization of time as a means to describe, measure, or account for motion is probably the single most compelling need for the illusion of time, and you put it very well I might add. Without time, motion has no meaning - it is completely contradictory to motion or the need for motion. If you're everywhere already, why move? I have a very difficult time conceiving this as well, as I'm sure most humans do. Nonetheless, I still hold that it is merely an illusion - a perception, or a means to describe or measure that which our senses perceive as motion; however, time is NOT a fundamental property of the universe.

Back to the topic; if we think of time as what it really is, a measuring tool rather than a fundamental property...something that allows us to perceive motion or even creation - its not that far a stretch to say that "Time is an illusion that allows us to perceive ourselves". As you so very correctly described, if we discount time then we loose every possibility for a reference point. "The one thing that All That Is knew is that there was nothing else. And so it could, and would, never know Itself from a different point outside of Itself. Such a point did not exist. Only one reference point existed, and that was the single place within. The Is-Not Is." The Am-Not Am."

Do you see now?

Have you ever noticed how the equations in classical physics (that use time) begin to break down at the speed of light? How about quantum physics - many quantum particles can be proven to exist in multiple locations at the same time - Photons can be 'split' into two particles, travel down fiber-optic paths to locations hundreds of miles apart, yet when one particle is subjected to a particular stimuli (such as spin) the OTHER particle also exhibits these properties. How? [Because - everything is all there is! It doesn't matter how you divide it up or how small the pieces are - its just more apparent in the smaller (quantum) world!)

You'll get no argument from folks MUCH more intelligent than I, that there is something drastically wrong with the way that classical physics accounts for time. The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principal, although infinitely more complicated than I can describe, basically states that by measuring a property of a particle - we inherently change that particle's property. Do you see where I'm going with this? Simply by measuring, in order to perceive, we've created a new reality. Right? Wrong. Remember? Everything that is, always was. Its only our desire to experience (by measurement) that which already is, has allowed us to perceive [a] reality. As long as we can devise infinite means of measuring, we can perceive (or experience) infinite realities.

Hence - my answer to your question. Experience motivates god.

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