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Originally posted by papermachesatan
I don't think that's a fair assessment and overly simplifies the last two 'positions'.
Person2: Faith is irrational. Believing, in your heart, that 2+2=6 does not make it true.
*third exchange unneeded.*
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No, actually i think it is accurate. What person two is saying in your example really boils down to "you can't prove god exists." You can use whatever clever little phrase you want, but what you are saying is the same. You haven't disproven anything. Just made all the readers aware of the fact that you misunderstand the extent to which faith, however irrational, permeates everything that we do as human beings.
As for faith, it takes a certain amout of effort to ignore the fact that if not for everyday plain old faith, life would be very different. Do you have faith in your physician? Do you have faith that the person stopped at the red light isn't going to just peel out and hit you as you cross the street? Faith, however irrational, is the grease of life. Without it you'd never get out of bed in the morning. Do you know that the sun is for sure going to come up tomorrow? If you say yes, than you are a liar. Do you know that your parents, or girlfriend, or boyfriend, loves you? How can you be sure? I bet you act as though they do love you. Because you have faith.
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Believe if you want but recognize that God is as an irrational method for describing the unknown as it was 150 years ago.
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You'll never find a scientific way to describe what belief in god and the afterlife describes. And you'll never win an argument about what happens when you die if the only tool in your shed is rationality. Shit, theres enough irrationality going on under the guise of culture and economics in the living world. Just because something is irrational doesn't mean it isn't accurate.
Everything you have said is just a variation of, "Well, you can't prove it" because that is all you have.