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Old 01-11-2004, 06:40 PM   #31 (permalink)
Mantus
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klt2,

I asked a question, you said don’t bother you can't understand the answer. If we state an attribute of something then we should understand the ramifications of that attribute, otherwise it has no value, or worse a false value.

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Originally posted by :::OshnSoul:::
Mantus- there IS a difference between knowledge and experience- that is where you may perhaps get a bit confused. God is Omniscient (He is everything and nothing all at once)- but He CHOOSES to experience the knowledge He has. But being Omniscient does NOT mean that God has experienced that knowledge- vast difference. But, to delve into this "knowledge vs. experience", we must think of this: How can you "know" something to its fullest without experiencing it? Sure, you can "feel" or "foresee" soemthing, but have not had the full knowledge of that experience until you actually experience it yourself. Same with God- God foresees things, He feels things- therefore "knows" those things to an extent, but NO ONE can know the experience of it until it happens-e ven God. Even God can know before we're born what we will do in our life, yet he will not know the personal experience of it. And what We experience, He experiences- only in a different light/level of consciousness.

Talking about this is so complicated because the words we use are only links to what is being said and therefore tend to get confusing.
Imagine the past ten seconds of your life. Already starting to lose that crispness the current moment always has. You know of what you did, what you thought, and what happened next. Now say some one gave you a choice to re-live those 10 seconds again. You would not have a choice to do something else in those 10 seconds; they would be exactly the same as before. Would you do it? Ask yourself why. I can guarantee you that the every reason you give yourself will involve your limited human nature.

Now imagine an omnipotent being, those 10 seconds do not seem distant, they do not seem far away. They are as real as the current moment. Why do choose to re-live them again? That is omniscience.

The god you describe is not omniscient. Your god has knowledge of cause and effect. It’s like looking at a machine you just built, you know how every part will move and how every part will act and you know of all the variables, yet until you turn it on you will never experience that rush of seeing something you built come alive. An omniscient creature would have knowledge of everything, including that feeling. That’s why ask the question, if you know what that feeling, why bother?

Finally I am not arguing against the concept of God (in this thread ). I am arguing against the concept of an omniscient God - e.i. a God with infinate, or total knowledge.
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