shakran

Oh come on. Not have the support of our allies? Like we had a whole lot of support in Iraq.

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Reread your history book. The UN stepped into Korea and things would have been fine if China hadn't butted in. So in otherwords, China butted in on a UN operation.

The United States stepped in with their military. Sanctioned by the UN, but we were the primary force there.

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But we would have done ok if we had waged real war from the start. By the time we started, the American people had lost the will to fight and the war was over.

The american people never had the will to fight in the first place. Those that did have the will to fight (and were standup enough to enlist rather than sitting back proclaiming how OTHER americans should go fight) quickly lost the will to fight once they found out what was really happening over there.

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Uh, we did neither. We supported the Shah in Iran and Batista in Cuba. While I think we were myopic in our fight against communism, I can at least understand why it happened. But if you're gonna slam us, get your history right.

I mistyped about the Shah. But we did not support Batista. We supported Castro.

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Tell that to East Berlin, Grenada, South Korea, Panama, and Serbia/Bosnia to name a few. Or perhaps tell that to the victims that Saddam won't kill.

East Berlin? What the hell did we have to do with East Berlin? You don't really think that just because the Almighty Reagan said "tear down that wall" that Berlin actually listened do you? The german people revolted and tore it down themselves.

Grenada? Yes, that got us condemned by the entire world, including the British. A UN resolution deploring the invasion didn't pass ONLY because the United States vetoed it.

South Korea? Yes, they now live next to a nutty neighbor with nukes. They're in a great position. We killed 3 million Korean civilians and nearly 400,000 americans were killed. That doesn't count those who lost limbs and spent their lives disabled. All for what? To not solve a damn thing.

Panama - you cannot tell me we didn't screw up by supporting Noriega. Under him, drug exports to the US grew at an astronomical rate. Sure, things are better now that we've finally removed him, but don't forget that WE put him there in the first place.

Serbia/Bosnia is still a hellish place to live with violence occurring daily. It was a civil war that we had no right to mess with. We had our own civil war in the late 1800's. If some jackass nation had stepped in and tried to break it up, we'd have kicked their asses, then gone right back to fighting.

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No, you're an isolationist straight out of the early 20th Century.

Hey, finally something we agree on. You're damn right I'm an isolationist. Our responsibility is to fix our own country, not to go running around messing with others. We love to play the "we're the angelic country that everyone else should look up to and learn from us how to run things" role, but 1) we're not good at it and 2) it's not our place to do it. If we paid more attention to working on our own problems (poverty, education, crime, etc), we'd be a much better country today.

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And your policy was a failure then and you have said nothing to convince me that things have changed.

How exactly was it a failure? We kept ourselves to ourselves until we were directly threatened or attacked, at which point we kicked the ass of whoever has screwed with us. The policy did not fail. In fact, it worked out very well for us. Unfortunately it was abandoned for extremely poor reasons.