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Originally posted by General Giap
why can't people say they are pieces of shit if that is thier opinion and they can state it if they want too.
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By that logic I'm just going to go ahead and say that everything
except GM is a piece of shit. Sound reasonable? No. Thats my point. It doesnt add anything to the conversation to just say "its a piece of shit," so to answer your question, no they cant (or shouldnt) just "say what they want to" because thats not at all what I asked for.
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Originally posted by rogner
I'm not a big fan of the engineered failure aspects. I have family members who have designed and worked extensively on old model GM vehicles (read: buicks) and I know for a fact that they are designed to fail precisely after a certain amount of miles. Kind of like a lightbulb.
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Sorry but that is a rumor. And illegal to boot. And as an engineering student I'd even go as far as to say that it isnt possible.
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Originally posted by rogner
Oh, and I dont like having two keys to drive my car. I like one. :P
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I have just one on my 97
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Originally posted by rogner
edit: thats not to say that things havn't changed in either the key aspect or the engineered failure. I believe that a lot of changes have occured in an effort to make GM able to compete with some of the 'foreign' designed cars (foreign questionable as the global economy has brought us all a little bit closer together).. I'm not as knowledgable about their current reliability, but I probably wouldn't buy one. Reliability and performance are my main concerns for vehicles, and my last purchase was a toyota. (Was for the woman, she only needed reliability :-D)
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Its been my experience that foreign vehicles require just as much maintainence as domestics. In fact, its a fact
(I've worked on a few hundred cars over a few years time, as a credential
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Originally posted by Peryn
i dunno....the only other big reason i hear is because they are "cheap POS's". Well, hardly a reason, just an uninformed opinion in my mind. Most people seem to hate their interiors though. I dont know about you....but i have noticed every single car manufacturer out there who makes a car under 25k seems to pretty much all have the same cheapo interiors. Some use a cheap sray-on type that looks good, but peels. Some use fake leather crap...and some prefer hard plastic. Either way, seems to me like its not just GM with horrible interiors these days.
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As usual, I will completely agree with you Peryn
You make a good point that while yes, some (or many, depending on who you talk to) GM interiors are cheap, the same is generally true across the board for all manufacturers in a certin price range.
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Originally posted by pocon1
I like the new Cadillacs and the Corvette. I think that the rest have uninspired or downright ugly styling, and the interiors are horrible, at least on the lower end cars.
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Valid opinion, thank you for not saying "they piece of shit" and leaving it at that lol. I happen to agree with you about some of the cars.
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Originally posted by pocon1
Plus, the Firebird/Camaro is now discontinued.
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Why does that matter? Just because they are discontinued doesnt mean every single one disappears off the planet...
You can buy a used 01-02 Camaro/Firebird/TransAm with less than 15k miles for around $15,000 to $17,000. It doesnt get any cheaper than that for the performance.