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Old 01-07-2004, 01:26 AM   #4 (permalink)
Phaenx
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Location: Columbus, Ohio
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Originally posted by HunterDevourer
Guess my opinion isn't worth too much then, since I'm one of the 'pot-head college students', though I don't smoke pot, and refer to it as University in Australia.

But for what it's worth, I can see some parallels between what Jello rants about in his lyrics, and what John Stuart Mill speaks of in the quote you have in your signature. "Nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself." Keeping yourself free is not always a matter of fighting in a war overseas, to stop those who desire to destroy your way of life from achieving their objectives. Freedom can also be taken away within a country, and in my opinion that quote can be taken to mean opposing movements within ones country that would seek to limit freedoms of the person. Whether that is businesses lobbying politicians to allow them to monitor peoples internet activities to create consumer images of them, to restricting peoples ability to carry out acts without being monitored by the government...

What I'm trying to say is that perhaps Jello didn't say what he did in 'Stars and Stripes of Corruption' because he dislikes America, or wants to Nuke America, but rather because he seems to indicate a respect towards the ideals of America, which built such a great country, and he sees as being threatened by the interests of greed and lack of foresight. Maybe in his view, fighting for freedom isn't going to die in the jungles of vietnam, but is rather trying to point out to people how America is being transformed away from its original image of a free country, where honesty and hard work pay off, to a country which is moving towards changing itself (or where politicians with business interests are changing it) so as to allow amendments to the founding principles be made, to the detriment of the common US citizen, but to better allow those high up in business to profit.

I don't know if that's right or not, or if you care. But I suppose what Jello tries to say is that when you have something as great as America, you can't get lax with it or people will try and undermine what makes it great. Fighting to keep America free maybe can be done by what Jello did (does?).

Anyway, that's just some thoughts...maybe you'll find something interesting...
I didn't catch the association between my quote and his intentions. Perhaps it's because I draw a line between picking up arms against tyranny or aggression to protect the freedoms of total strangers, and writing a pissy song that outlines a minorities vision of what America should be, regardless of what the founding fathers and/or the rest of America thinks. I know what his deal is, he's upset our President is living up to be the person we elected, and I'll tell you what, saying "lets bring (america) down" isn't the appropriate response a person who loves their country would take. Damn straight you'll get beat up for that.

He isn't in any danger saying these things as well (We have the right to free speech? Those Orwellian bastards..), I'd like to see this pussy pick up a rifle and protect his country when we go over to North Korea sometime in the near future. He won't of course, you actually have to do something during a war, rather then bitch about Bush and then claim to be the real patriot. Bullshit.

I'm sure it's a snazzy song, but all the eloquence in the world doesn't mean crap if you're wrong when you cut through all the horse shit. That's a reoccuring theme throughout this piece as well, the economy jabs and what not gave me a chuckle.

Taking it at face value; Protestors are not more patriotic than soldiers. Your freedoms are not being taken away from you. America is not invading countries on a whim and looting them. Pissing on the Capital is a bad way of showing how patriotic you are. We're not communists. Wiping your ass on the American Flag, again, is a bad way of showing you like America more then people who endure the horrors of war to protect it. The American Flag is more then a Flag.

And finally

Mr. Jello does not like America. He swears otherwise but he's full of shit.
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