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Originally posted by SLM3
I really don't understand what one has to do with the other.
You're not here to learn, Endymon. So please, don't ruin it for the rest of us by trying to hijack this thread too.
SLM3
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If you can argue that there never was a communist nation cause they didnt follow the ideal's founder to the letter, than I can argue that there never was a true Christian cause they didnt follow that idea's founder to the letter.
So Strange Famous is in a trap. He dismisses Christianity as oppressive and bad and dangerous, and says Communisn is good because it never existed in a pure state.
Well I submit that Christianity is good because it never existed in a pure state. Notice how Strange Famous never commented on this other than saying that the two ideals are similar.
You cant say that communism never existed because what happened in the past was a misinterpretation, and still disregard Chrisitianity because that too was a misinterpretation.
So I submit that a true Christian world would be MUCH better than communism and the government wouldnt matter as they would be really ruled by the love of god. True equality would be had, people would work hard and share because that is what its all about.
If you think I am a preachy fool, than you must also call Strange Famous a preachy fool, cause we are both committing the same fallacy.
If you think he is correct then you must also think I am correct because we are both committing the same fallacy.
Strange Famous is taking an idea, applying it, and forgetting that EVERY idea has been corrupted by human nature. He is using the IDEAL and forgetting that we dont live in an ideal world.
He is forgetting that any government or economic way will be twisted by the very people it tries to help. This is not just intrinsic to capitalism, or feudalism, or monarchy. Its intrinsic to humanity. For his ideal to work, you need the ideal human. And not one person on this earth is the ideal human.
No two people can share everything, not becaue of capitalism but becaue of the intrinsic human need of self preservation. Marx and Strange Famous forgot this.
Just as the beautiful idea of Chrisitanity gave way to horror amd oppression, so too did Communism. This is not because of capitalism, but because of humans.
It is because of humans EVERY system of government or economics is flawed.
Capitalism is the best flawed system for giving the most to the most.
Communism will never work untill all people are perfect, and the irony is, once we reach that point, ANY system of government will also be perfect.