chavos

okay. massive not communicating problem. I'm trying my damnedest here...one more time i guess.

Some Christians are those things. Christianity is not. Nobody owns it, and can define it as such.

I certainly will own up to the problems of the tradition. and i will certainly note how some, perhaps many christians are some of those things. but they do not own christianity. they own their beleifs...their mind. but when outsiders accept the claims that fundamentalists rule Christianity, it just makes the problem worse. adn it results in a lack of respect for moderates. i'm not saying that fundamentalists don't exist, or that you shouldn't talk about them. I'm saying that because a person is Christian doesn't make them anything else. Not liberal, not conservative, not color blind, not racist.

I'll start a new thread on Queer Christians, and a few other of the specifics...but right now i need to sleep off new years.

Okay, so i know what i think faith in Christ means. But i'm not going to disown a brother or sister over my own pride. There are lines i draw for who i will call Christian...but i won't do it simply for a point of theology. The flaw i see in them may not be any greater than the one i miss in myself. I will rebuke them, but from with in the community...not in an attempt to throw them out. its big, happy, dysfunctional family...and so i'm simply asking for folks to not do guilt by association. its a logical fallacy, rude, and unfitting of debate here. all i ask.