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Originally posted by GakFace
I just have gotton to know Z over TFP, and some of his recoveries just don't seem to be natural. They seem to be miracles.. which I might add is a term used by Doctors.
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It's not an a scientific term. A miracle, by definition is a an [
extraordinary event manifesting divine intervention in human affairs Science does not deal with the supernatural as a miracle would indicate. Even more so, doctors don't have to be good scientists or follow the scienitifc method; Doctors in the ER, etc. = applied science.
Additionally, even though many scientists hold religious beliefs, honest ones won't try to pass them off as valid scientific theories though.
Optimisim, enviorment, etc. can all play signficant roles on recovery. But we'll say, for the sake the discussion, that the recoveries were unusual. That doesn't still doesn't mean that God did it. Please provide evidence of God's involvement. I don't understand why you keep insisting that your lack of knowledge on what happened means that God did it.
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If you could, I would love to read about this person's Experiments in depth. Did he ever point out any "chills"? I'm just curious as to the details, and the subjects that he used and so on and so forth.
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I recieved the article via someone else so I'm not sure how to find it. I would google, "neurotheology", "Laurentian University", "Dr Persinger"
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"This does not explain all religious experience by any means."
This is from the Secondly Linky. This is all I was trying to point out. What you say may be true, but what I say also has a possiblity of being true. I was in no way trying to say you were wrong
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Of course neurotheology doesn't explain everything. It doesn't try to..
The Burdeon of Proof of divine interventions and God still remains on you.
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Most religious people believe that the human body has a soul, many of them will say how the soul and the mind are very much related.. the mind is connected to the brain, and the brains helps produce the spiritual experiences.. which it is "made to do.. (The brain is set up in such a way as to have spiritual experiences and religious experiences," )
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Cart before horse. The brain just happens to be suscepitible to outside natural interference which can induce hallucinations, etc. that are interpreted as religious experiences.
And about souls.. if the soul and the mind were very much related, why does a persons personality and mental capabilties change when one side of the brain is damaged?? And more so, why does God need an elaborate set-up or back channels to reach us through?
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So this quote was used to "disprove" God, where as I just used it to help prove...
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There you go again, jumping to conclusions.
The brain is shown to be susceptible to outside natural interference which can account for 'religious experiences' = GOD???? wtf
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I'm not asking to change your mind, but I am asking you to look at the possiblity.
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I'm just as open to the possibility as the next guy. But I need proof.