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Originally posted by saline
Frankly none of this is very specific or very damning. Do you actually think that our intelligence isn't involved with Al Qaeda or similar groups? We'd be stupid not to be trying to keep an eye on them from the inside and there's little reason to assume Saddam wasen't doing the same thing.
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If I decipher your rantings correctly, you're stating that you think the CIA has most likely infiltrated Al Queda, that perhaps Saddam has as well, and that due to your speculation, any evidence linking Saddam and terrorists should be dismissed?
I think
you should be dismissed.
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It seems like you're trying to say "since every memeber of the UN said this it must hold some weight." which leads me to some questions. If the UN holds such weight why did we blatantly ignore them? Why, when the UN inspection team reported that there were no WMD in Iraq, didn't that hold any weight?
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There was no dispute that Iraq had violated some 16 UN resolutions. Even those who had opposed US calls to enforce those resolutions agreed that Iraq was in violation of them. Despite your sad attempts to restate my point and twist my logic, I think it makes a pretty plain case. Virtually everyone agreed that Iraq had WMD. Virtually everyone agreed that Iraq had failed to account for those WMD. A select few of those, however, thought that despite that, we should not hold Iraq accountable.
However, neither this, nor the fact that we have not yet found those weapons, negates the fact that Iraq had WMD and had failed to account for them. Hence, the threat.
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Since we've tried to assassinate Castro numerous times he's clearly entitled to invade us right?
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Would you disagree with the assessment that the US is a threat to Cuba?
Again - the question was asked, what threat did Iraq pose to the US. I pointed out that, among other things, Saddam Hussein had tried to assassinate our president. That's a fucking threat, OK?
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It sounds like the America you live in needs to grow the heck up. To bring the thread back to France and opposition to the war this may help clarify things. When dealing with serious issues it helps to at least act serious. The problem is the Bush administration wants to do big boy things but still act like little children. They want the responsibility to kill thousands without considering the consequences or opposing points of view.
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This ranting contains plenty of emotion-filled hyperbole. When you can present some rational, objective discourse, I'll be gald to respond in kind.
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Well it's time for a wake up call, the world isn't black and white. We weren't attacked on 9/11 because Al Qaeda hates freedom. We were attacked, and will be in the future, because of our patronizing and irresponsible policies in the Middle East.
(BTW, America should be blamed first when we're the ones responsible)
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Ah yes, resort to blaming the victim of a horrific, cowardly act of indiscriminate mass murder.
Anyone who believe the US is to blame for 9/11 is a vile, disgusting, miserable being. May God have pity on you.
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If precedent is so important why did we violate the precedent against invading soverign nations? The precedent against being the aggressor.
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Saddam Hussein relinquished his soveriegny when he willfully violated the agreed to conditions of his surrender. Our action was not that of an aggressor, but of a defender.
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If credibility is so important then why have we been caught in so many lies relating to even just the Iraq war? Too bad we lied about buying weapons materials from Niger. Too bad we lied about our plans for reconstruction. Too bad there are no WMD despite saying we knew where they were.
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What lies? We obtained evidence suggesting a possible link to Niger that was later discredited. We didn't lie about that. We certainly didn't lie about our plans for reconstruction either. Nor did we lie about WMD.
I can see clearly that you're quite fragile and extremely vulnerable to emotional arguments, but before you recklessly fling unsubstantiated accusations, float improbable conspiracy theories, and scream about how thousands of innocent men, women, and children should bear the blame for being ruthlessly murdered, your should take a moment to reacquaint yourself with reason.