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Old 12-16-2003, 08:21 AM   #72 (permalink)
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Originally posted by onetime2
Hmm, I guess you're right, we have NEVER helped create leadership which is kind to its people.

Germany, Japan, Korea, Russia, more recently, Liberia are inconsequential. Go on thinking that all the US does in the world is create bloody dictators, that our interests are never to do what's best for the world, or that we should stay out of international affairs, but the real world doesn't allow us that luxury.
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Originally posted by smooth
I'm answering that while we might debate another day on the merits of toppling bloody dictators, we certainly should agree that we ought not have a hand in creating them.
Edit: I was going to leave your post alone with my above response, but I'm going to post this to clear something up.

I already stated earlier that I'm not trying to "win" something on an internet forum, merely discuss ideas. That stated, I don't appreciate you building a strawman.

I never stated that the US government hasn't helped create kind leadership. I stated that we have historically installed tyrants that suited our economic interests--not because we had to do so, but because we wanted to.

The examples you cite were collaborative efforts to rebuild countries after multi-national wars--not instances of "leaders we've installed", with the exception of Liberia. I don't even know why you cited Liberia, but it doesn't particularly bother me because at least I now know who is paying attention to world events and I'll discuss these issues further with them.

Thanks for the time and I'm sorry that you feel the need to argue in circles with me. I tried to lay out my opinion and answer your questions in a straightforward manner, but you appear to not have read my responses.

2nd EDIT: added italicized words to clarify my point to onetime2.
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