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water_boy1999 · 12-15-2003, 12:38 PM

So, clearly it seems that the guys are "assholes" no matter what happened at the party. I am sorry, but I have been to a ton of college parties and I find it hard to believe that these guys weren't drinking. IMO, she says they weren't drinking in order to build her case. Perhaps she was not forced to give a hand job or was not forced to get finger banged. Maybe, just maybe she had asked or given the impression that she wanted it. Perhaps she did enjoy what was happening when she was intoxicated, but afterwards felt remorse at her actions. So, she was irresponsible by being drunk and under the influence of a powerful drug. Does this mean we automatically criminalize the guys? What if they were drunk and didn't have all of their senses as well? The reason I think this is because I have been to many parties before and have been very drunk. I too have messed around with strange women who were intoxicated. It happens people!!! I am sick of seeing people so quick to judge the guys in this type of situation when it could have been completely controlled by the woman. So, these guys tried to get in her pants. What if she gave them every indication that she wanted them to? Imagine if you will........two attractive guys are sitting in the corner *drinking* at a party. Along comes a beautiful woman who proceeds to flirt with both gentlemen. They resume their conversations and flirting in private, where she makes advances on both men. (use your imagination from there) All I am saying is just because she claims that this all happened, doesn't mean we should be so quick to judge. It could be an attempt for her to get attention. It could be a way for her to feel better about herself since she was drunk and high on meds. It could be that these two guys are the victims. I have been in several situations where I was high, and was with my best friend Kevin......two seperate times we were hanging with a waitress we worked with and she flat out told us she wanted us to fuck her at the same time. Never went anywhere at all, but the fact of the matter remains that some women, even at a young age, are sexually minded and are looking for two men to have sex with.

In addition, why was she drinking while on meds? And, why did she not have friends there to keep an eye on her? I am amazed that people are so quick to pass judgement on these two guys when they might want to consider the actions of the girl as well.

Now, before I get ripped a new asshole, let me clarify. I don't think there is ever any justification for rape or sexual assault if that was truly the case. I think men who commit crimes like this should have their nuts cut off. Seriously. However, if there is mutual agreement and sexual advances on both sides, then there is nothing wrong with experimenting with the opposite sex. It's just wrong when it is believed to be mutual, then the guy gets accused of rape because she has some insecurities.

12-15-2003, 12:38 PM	#44 (permalink)
water_boy1999 Fly em straight! Location: Above and Beyond	So, clearly it seems that the guys are "assholes" no matter what happened at the party. I am sorry, but I have been to a ton of college parties and I find it hard to believe that these guys weren't drinking. IMO, she says they weren't drinking in order to build her case. Perhaps she was not forced to give a hand job or was not forced to get finger banged. Maybe, just maybe she had asked or given the impression that she wanted it. Perhaps she did enjoy what was happening when she was intoxicated, but afterwards felt remorse at her actions. So, she was irresponsible by being drunk and under the influence of a powerful drug. Does this mean we automatically criminalize the guys? What if they were drunk and didn't have all of their senses as well? The reason I think this is because I have been to many parties before and have been very drunk. I too have messed around with strange women who were intoxicated. It happens people!!! I am sick of seeing people so quick to judge the guys in this type of situation when it could have been completely controlled by the woman. So, these guys tried to get in her pants. What if she gave them every indication that she wanted them to? Imagine if you will........two attractive guys are sitting in the corner drinking at a party. Along comes a beautiful woman who proceeds to flirt with both gentlemen. They resume their conversations and flirting in private, where she makes advances on both men. (use your imagination from there) All I am saying is just because she claims that this all happened, doesn't mean we should be so quick to judge. It could be an attempt for her to get attention. It could be a way for her to feel better about herself since she was drunk and high on meds. It could be that these two guys are the victims. I have been in several situations where I was high, and was with my best friend Kevin......two seperate times we were hanging with a waitress we worked with and she flat out told us she wanted us to fuck her at the same time. Never went anywhere at all, but the fact of the matter remains that some women, even at a young age, are sexually minded and are looking for two men to have sex with. In addition, why was she drinking while on meds? And, why did she not have friends there to keep an eye on her? I am amazed that people are so quick to pass judgement on these two guys when they might want to consider the actions of the girl as well. Now, before I get ripped a new asshole, let me clarify. I don't think there is ever any justification for rape or sexual assault if that was truly the case. I think men who commit crimes like this should have their nuts cut off. Seriously. However, if there is mutual agreement and sexual advances on both sides, then there is nothing wrong with experimenting with the opposite sex. It's just wrong when it is believed to be mutual, then the guy gets accused of rape because she has some insecurities. __________________ Doh!!!! -Homer Simpson Last edited by water_boy1999; 12-15-2003 at 03:16 PM..