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Originally posted by smooth
For example, Conclamo Ludus, you stated that the past dealings with Saddam were common knowledge. When Superbelt expressed the opinion that the public actually knows very little about our foreign affairs, you asked what the point of that assertion was. It was clear to me, and I suspect numerous people reading it, that the point is that unless we become aware of our foreign policies, then we won't continue to place our long-term interests in jeopardy. If nothing else, we need to be informed before judging whether certain dealings are in our long-term interests.
Then you follow with a statement challenging whether members of our current administration have actually been involved in dealings with foreign dictators. This seems to contradict your earlier assertion that such dealings were common knowledge. Furthermore, I think you are aware of the things we are currently doing abroad, so I wonder what the intent of your challenge was.
Do you need Superbelt to "prove" that our government is currently bolstering the power of foreign dictators through direct and indirect dealings? Or are you just going to declare "victory" if he doesn't bother tracing down page after page from the International sections of any current newspaper editions?
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Actually I'm just trying to get information. This one picture from the past is supposed to be evidence of treachery with which we are supposed to hold them accountable for. I've seen this picture a few times, and this picture is well known to me. There was nothing facetious about me asking for details and sources about the charges that SuperBelt is implying. I want to know just what he is trying to tell me.
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Originally posted by Conclamo Ludus
I don't think a monster on your side ever seems to pay off. It may in the short term but eventually it will blow up in your face. Supporting these enemies of humanity gives them a credibility with which to damage you later on. Although I agree that it isn't all that simple just to ignore them or to totally oppose all of them. International politics is too complex for this.
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As you can see from my earlier post, I agree with this sentiment, which is why I want to know what SuperBelt is suggesting. An old picture that I've seen about supporting Saddam is not enough. I would like to know what monsters they are supposedly creating currently as suggested.
Giving SuperBelt the benefit of the doubt, I don't think he just made this up, so if he has some details he can certainly pass them on as he did with that photo of Saddam with Rummy.
I fully realize the contradiction I made about the photo being common knowledge, and then asking for more information. What isn't common knowledge is the other transgression he is insinuating and I am requesting information so that we can further the discussion.
I'm not interested in winning arguments. I win when I learn something. So SuperBelt, I implore you, could you be more specific as to what we should be worried about with Cheney and Rummy. No harm in asking someone to provide information, its how we learn. One old photo on the front of every newspaper does not provide enough information. Which is perhaps why it wouldn't do any good to run it. What might do some good for your point, is to run it with a little more information.