As much as I'm enjoying my new use of PMs for discussion of things, there are too many responses this time.
Which, I’d like to add, I am doing at Halx’s suggestion from some of his posts. PM use allows me to feel closer to the person I’m talking to. I also feel less strain when posting responses. I’m talking to one point of view at a time. More than that gets hard for me to handle.
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SWEET MOTHER OF GOD.... do you read what you wrote before you hit submit?
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Well, yes. I do. I am suprised at your vehamence. I assume you are responding to the portion you quoted. I thought I was pretty clear, and I'm not sure where you think I'm coming from.
Let's explore that.
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You can't expect to be taken seriously when you say things like, "In a male dominated place like the net, it's a sound idea."
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Are we questioning that the net is male domintated? I thought it was, however…
I've found statistics that say it's not equal.
http://www.princeton.edu/~eszter/netuse.html#gender and
http://cyberatlas.internet.com/big_p...095681,00.html
Both shows women are more prevelant on the net.
I am suprised. No, not becuase I think women are to dumb to use the web,(though I bet some of you assume I think that) but I've always read that girls and women use tech less than men. I know women are less prevelant in the IT field than men. While I was in college, there were less than 12 women in all my combined IT classes. I had one female instructer, who I’d like to add was one of the toughest and best profs. I had.
Either way, apparently women use the web more than men.
But, I don't think that really was part of the me being a stupid pig discussion.
I was thinking the web is full of guys. I've heard we have far more male users here too. Based on that, and the "dumbassed guys making meatheaded comments" problem, I said I think it's a good idea to have a place for the ladies where they won't have to hear said comments.
I prefaced that with this:
“The ladies are perfectly capable of handling themselves, but as a membership we've chosen to remove the need for them to be on guard, and simply enjoy discussing whatever they want.”
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letting the ladies have their own safety zone was definitely a good one.
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I thought that’s what I said, but hey, whatever.
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If you post in this way simply to be inflammatory, I think you miss the point of this online community. Also, the mods are EVERYWHERE. They are constantly on alert, and the fellow members of this board see to it that inappropriate behavior is taken care of in due course. There is no reason I can see (or have ever seen) to doubt or question their effectiveness in this respect.
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I don’t want to dignify that, but what the hell.
I don’t post to be inflammatory, I post what I feel. If I wasn’t willing to continuously deal with people jumping all over me I wouldn’t bother.
I have shown time and time again my support for our mods, and though I question rules, I have chosen to obey them.
You seem to have missed this part entirely:
I said: “It could also be said that we're assuming the ladies can't handle those meathead comments that could be thrown around.
Which further assumes that on the general forums, meathead comments, and a negative enviornment are tolerated. To my knowledge, they are not.”
I’m saying that even if such comments were thrown around, the ladies could and would take care of that. I go on to say I don’t believe such comments would be a problem because they are not allowed on the general forums, BECAUSE of the mods and our member’s self control.
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And I'm sure the reason the word concede was in phredgreen's address was because we ARE making a bit of a concession in this board. We are not a board about segregating ANY part of our community, but in this case it seems too necessary, given the nature of our environment. Sometimes you have to make a choice, and letting the ladies have their own safety zone was definitely a good one. If phredgreen meant anything in using the word concede, I believe this was it. [/B]
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Given the nature of our environment? What do you mean by that? Do you mean the rampaging hordes of out of control males?
I think you do. Seeing that you next say:
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Guys can, and will, say whatever they feel in whatever forum they want to.
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Sexist are we? Apparently you can join my club. (sarcasm)
I think we’ve managed to control ourselves better than that.
So, I’m done quoting now. Almost…
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Also, your sexism is very clear to be read. Don't mince words. It's in your form, your style, and your overall written attitude.
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I’d like you to find a post of mine where I say, or insinuate, that women are in any way less capable than men. Have fun with that one.
When I originally commented on the LL I was talking from my experience in the previous version of the board’s LL. In there I had seen threads that struck me as quite sexist towards men. It left me with a very negative impression of that board, because it seemed to be okay there. Whereas in the rest of the board it would not be.
Since Mr. Mephisto’s comments I looked through the LL. I didn’t find the women behaving like I’d said at all.
I said that. I said, “Open mouth, insert foot.”