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12-13-2003, 05:35 PM

Everybody seems to rely on belief and proof for such things as the Universe being infinite.
Belief and Proof all have one underlying detail: doubt.

You are out to find proof that the Universe in infinite, but since you don't have that proof, you aren't sure of it being true yet
OR
You believe that the Universe is infinite, yet believing is having faith and having faith is trusting that the universe being infinite is true, although you have no proof

Then there is Knowing and Truth, in which neither of those contains any doubt. (You may feel deep down that the universe is infinite and that never changes for you, no matter what is told to you by other sources.)

People have said that we have to have proof or believe in something in order to know or to find truth in it- doesn't corrolate.

When you are told something- you believe it. ("I believe that there is a God, since Pastor told me, although I have no proof.")
But when you feel something- you know it. ("I feel God deep within me, and this God is in no way cruel.")
So that knowing is embedded within you, no matter what. That you hold as your Truth. Your beliefs can change, however, if you learn from another outside source of something different.
So- in knowing you Truth (that which never changes, only evolves), you do not feel the need for proof or proving of your Truth.
Now- can we all distinguish some of the beliefs and truths we each have? Now, you accept your truths as being your truths, right? That you always felt that way about something deep down without thinking twice about it and that nothing would change that for you?
Well, does that mean they have to be the same as others' truths?

So, now- let's look at it this way.
beliefs and proof contains doubt, therefore, contains fear (that it may or may not be true). Then, this is why we tend to argue our views, because we tend to defend what we believe, doubt, and fear in hopes that we find proof or prove something. Hasn't gotten us anywhere thus far, now has it?

NOW
as for the Universe being infinite-
My Truth is that time & space=energy=infinity.
No beginning- no end.

12-13-2003, 05:35 PM	#37 (permalink)
:::OshnSoul::: Guest	Everybody seems to rely on belief and proof for such things as the Universe being infinite. Belief and Proof all have one underlying detail: doubt. You are out to find proof that the Universe in infinite, but since you don't have that proof, you aren't sure of it being true yet OR You believe that the Universe is infinite, yet believing is having faith and having faith is trusting that the universe being infinite is true, although you have no proof Then there is Knowing and Truth, in which neither of those contains any doubt. (You may feel deep down that the universe is infinite and that never changes for you, no matter what is told to you by other sources.) People have said that we have to have proof or believe in something in order to know or to find truth in it- doesn't corrolate. When you are told something- you believe it. ("I believe that there is a God, since Pastor told me, although I have no proof.") But when you feel something- you know it. ("I feel God deep within me, and this God is in no way cruel.") So that knowing is embedded within you, no matter what. That you hold as your Truth. Your beliefs can change, however, if you learn from another outside source of something different. So- in knowing you Truth (that which never changes, only evolves), you do not feel the need for proof or proving of your Truth. Now- can we all distinguish some of the beliefs and truths we each have? Now, you accept your truths as being your truths, right? That you always felt that way about something deep down without thinking twice about it and that nothing would change that for you? Well, does that mean they have to be the same as others' truths? So, now- let's look at it this way. beliefs and proof contains doubt, therefore, contains fear (that it may or may not be true). Then, this is why we tend to argue our views, because we tend to defend what we believe, doubt, and fear in hopes that we find proof or prove something. Hasn't gotten us anywhere thus far, now has it? NOW as for the Universe being infinite- My Truth is that time & space=energy=infinity. No beginning- no end. Last edited by :::OshnSoul:::; 12-13-2003 at 05:43 PM..