Man you should have PM'd me or something so that I could stand up for my point of view alittle bit more before all the posts were made. Anyway, I seem to do this everytime I get into a debate like this but lets break this down alittle.
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Originally posted by analog
1. Stealing is stealing, whether it's from a store or the net.
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Good Lord, I hate that argument more than any that could have been made, my God I am getting sick of it. A: Stealing is not fucking stealing in every situation! What I mean by that is it's not morally wrong to steal in some situations. If your starving for one, or if the thing that you are taking isn't worth anything, or whatever. My post in that thread wasn't so much defending movie piracy as I was complaining about the commericals. Not only have we paid to get in there, but the fact that a corperation or industry is making ad's trying to convince the public to love it, and pay them your money out loyalty to the industry, LOYALTY TO AN INDUSTRY!?!?! What the hell is that? it's capitalism gone horriblely horriblely overboard.
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2. Less revenue means fewer films get made- everyone who works on them gets fucked.
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Yes, that is diffinatly true. And thats the worst effect that piracy has, for sure. But the reason that I download movies is that I can't justify spending that much money on the crap that comes out today. How many sequels are coming out for no reason other than to make money and it works. I will watch them but I won't pay them any money to make crap. Just like I still buy CD's from bands and labels that I like, and download the songs I don't want to pay for becuase I hate the label and the CD's are so overpriced that its insane.
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3. Less revenue also means movies get made elsewhere (outside the country) where it's cheaper, which means we get no tax revenues from it's production and, again, everyone who works on the movies are fucked out of work. (by the way, this goes for most every country, not just here in the U.S.)
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How long have movies been made in Canada? Much much longer than the time that the internet as played any role. Also, why is it that it's cheaper to make movies here, here being Canada. Well one, our doller is worth less, but now a days its not even that much of a difference becuase our stupid economy is picking up raising the value and slowing American investing. Other than that, less taxes, because we don't tax the hell out of them, America only does because of the desparate need for money to finance the army. American companies going overseas to get things done cheaper is going on in every single industry in the US. This is a much bigger problem and the piracy of movies doesn't really make that much of an impact because even if the movie makes a ton of money, that doesn't change the fact that its still cheaper to make it in another country, so it's pure busniess, we make more profit if we do it in this country, so they will. Corperations arn't known for that much loyalty to a country.
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I don’t like the commercial either, but only because it sends the wrong message- that if you steal (download) movies, you’re still hurting the “common working man or woman”. The reason I think it’s the wrong message is because people can still justify the piracy because they don’t understand HOW it hurts everyone.
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Not only are they sending the stupidest message, they are trying to boost corprete loyalty, and that I hate.
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1. They make fewer films. Films that might otherwise have been the next Godfather or [insert you personal favorite movie of all time here] never get made because the studio can’t afford to spend the money on them. Fewer films means scriptwriters get less scripts picked up, which is their livelihood. It means that all the skilled (and unskilled) laborers, artists, executives, producers, hair and make-up people, light people, sound people, talent scouts (and their agencies), actors and actresses, day players (people in films with small parts, or “extras”), and on and on and ON have fewer films to get work on, which is their direct livelihood. Also, whenever a film is made, a SHITLOAD of taxes are paid on pretty much EVERYTHING in production. Less tax dollars to the government have to be made up from somewhere, and guess who that means? You.
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So, to many taxes? Why whatever could we do to fix this?? hmmmm lower taxes? never!
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We’re being made to pay WAY more than that shit is worth.
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I think the same thing about the movie industry, I want quality not quantity.
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So, there it is. Quite stealing, people. It hurts everyone.
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So there it is people, quit stealing because of your love for this faceless industry, because you care so much about the working people that work so hard to bring you "dirty dancing: the sequel" and other worthless money grabs!