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tman144, i don't think that is necessarily true in all respects. there are plenty of people (extreme left elitists as well as right-wing extremists) who won't admit to hating America, but they do admit to undermining values that the United States have stood/fought for during our history. So, no... they don't hate America's name, or her wealth... but they sometimes do hate what she can represent or stand for. But yes, there are people who deeply hate America if you define America by what she historically holds as her values.
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