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BooRadley · 12-04-2003, 02:20 PM

Good afternoon all. I'm suprised I haven't read this thread before, but theres so many threads and so little time. I have a really good contribution planned... as I have made the transition from "Nice Guy" to "Guy who actually gets some" and I too have many pointers.

I was a "Nice Guy" all through high school. I never had any success with girls at all, and had one or two serious dates. The only time in which I even made out with girls was when I was drunk or playing truth or dare. I had plenty of respect for and genuine like of women, even with my little success. I had tons of female friends and always enjoyed the differences between their mindsets and mine ( I'm a macho guy, even for a "nice guy")

When I went to college, I decided to be more proactive with my approach to women. I started asking them out, and in return, was rejected probably 15 times in a row. That is no exaggeration whatsoever. I have been rejected right-out more than even PUAs do in a year. This is where my transition from "Nice guy" started.

As plan9 illustrated, you first go through a period of low self-esteem, thinking that something was wrong with me. However, I have a supportive group of freinds ( male and female ) who assure me there is nothing wrong with me.

Then... I started blaming women.

Yes , this is a convienant solution, especially when all the women you know and talk to regularly blow smoke up your ass and say "Oh, I want a man who <fits your description as you would imagine and what has been told to you> just not you"

Not until you get to this point can you start actually gaining sucess ( Unless it is sheer luck)

A little bit of misogyny goes a long way. I started being more direct with girls and instead of asking them out, I started telling them I had no interest in their bullshit ( I have the best group of friends anyone could ask for, why would I need one who I shared little in common with?)
Sure, you'll get rejected alot but you stand a greater chance at success. Any girl who is interested will go for this, and she doesn't have to know how much you secretly loathe women.

So far, this has worked for me once, but I've only tried it 3 times. That average is much better than my average when I first started college and was a nice guy....

But... there is a price to pay. Some people change, some people never will. If you are a "Nice Guy" ( which in all reality means you have no sexually attractive traits to females ).. you are unlikely to ever actually change. You can fill your heart with hatred towards females and view them as cumdumpsters, but that won't make you any more attractive to females.

You stand alot to gain ( ass ) but alot to lose. If you are direct with women, the more likely they are to reveal any feelings towards you. And if the feelings are slight bit negative or don't coincide with yours... boom. You can throw any sort of friendship/relationship into the trash quickly.

I have lost several meaningful friendships with my female friends ( no, I was not an IW as I had no attraction to these female friends ) because of my newfound misogyny, and have felt nothing. My former "Nice Guy" side who respected females is twisted inside about it, but my new found "Outlaw Biker" side has no concern whatsover. This leads me to more unhappiness than not getting laid as I've discovered a newfound hatred for people in general.

My point is this : Plan9s guide will work. All these guides you see are the truth... women want something different. Being yourself is great, but if you aren't happy with getting none then you will have to change. With these changes, you might be happy with your newfound success in women but find out that the new you makes you sick to your stomach.

Think of where you plan on going. If you can't stand the thought of you being a misogynistic, superficial bonehead like all the sucessful dudes you've watched get all the chicks before, don't do it.

I myself plan on continuing my current usage of my newfound OBness. After my success, I decided that I could revert to my old self and get girls that way... and failed miserably. I have to change to get girls, and that is the choice I have to make. And with choices, come consequences as the old cliche goes.

With my current attitude towards women, I will never be able to have an emotionally rewarding relationship of any kind with any female, as my physical desires are much more than my emotional desires after 19 years(I'm 20 now) of no sex and no girlfriends, and I can only look at women as sex objects now, even if they do share common interests as me. And I fully well realize that if I go back to my old self I'll scare away the women I'm currently "using" ( this happened with my FWB )....

12-04-2003, 02:20 PM	#168 (permalink)
BooRadley Insane Location: Kentucky	Good afternoon all. I'm suprised I haven't read this thread before, but theres so many threads and so little time. I have a really good contribution planned... as I have made the transition from "Nice Guy" to "Guy who actually gets some" and I too have many pointers. I was a "Nice Guy" all through high school. I never had any success with girls at all, and had one or two serious dates. The only time in which I even made out with girls was when I was drunk or playing truth or dare. I had plenty of respect for and genuine like of women, even with my little success. I had tons of female friends and always enjoyed the differences between their mindsets and mine ( I'm a macho guy, even for a "nice guy") When I went to college, I decided to be more proactive with my approach to women. I started asking them out, and in return, was rejected probably 15 times in a row. That is no exaggeration whatsoever. I have been rejected right-out more than even PUAs do in a year. This is where my transition from "Nice guy" started. As plan9 illustrated, you first go through a period of low self-esteem, thinking that something was wrong with me. However, I have a supportive group of freinds ( male and female ) who assure me there is nothing wrong with me. Then... I started blaming women. Yes , this is a convienant solution, especially when all the women you know and talk to regularly blow smoke up your ass and say "Oh, I want a man who <fits your description as you would imagine and what has been told to you> just not you" Not until you get to this point can you start actually gaining sucess ( Unless it is sheer luck) A little bit of misogyny goes a long way. I started being more direct with girls and instead of asking them out, I started telling them I had no interest in their bullshit ( I have the best group of friends anyone could ask for, why would I need one who I shared little in common with?) Sure, you'll get rejected alot but you stand a greater chance at success. Any girl who is interested will go for this, and she doesn't have to know how much you secretly loathe women. So far, this has worked for me once, but I've only tried it 3 times. That average is much better than my average when I first started college and was a nice guy.... But... there is a price to pay. Some people change, some people never will. If you are a "Nice Guy" ( which in all reality means you have no sexually attractive traits to females ).. you are unlikely to ever actually change. You can fill your heart with hatred towards females and view them as cumdumpsters, but that won't make you any more attractive to females. You stand alot to gain ( ass ) but alot to lose. If you are direct with women, the more likely they are to reveal any feelings towards you. And if the feelings are slight bit negative or don't coincide with yours... boom. You can throw any sort of friendship/relationship into the trash quickly. I have lost several meaningful friendships with my female friends ( no, I was not an IW as I had no attraction to these female friends ) because of my newfound misogyny, and have felt nothing. My former "Nice Guy" side who respected females is twisted inside about it, but my new found "Outlaw Biker" side has no concern whatsover. This leads me to more unhappiness than not getting laid as I've discovered a newfound hatred for people in general. My point is this : Plan9s guide will work. All these guides you see are the truth... women want something different. Being yourself is great, but if you aren't happy with getting none then you will have to change. With these changes, you might be happy with your newfound success in women but find out that the new you makes you sick to your stomach. Think of where you plan on going. If you can't stand the thought of you being a misogynistic, superficial bonehead like all the sucessful dudes you've watched get all the chicks before, don't do it. I myself plan on continuing my current usage of my newfound OBness. After my success, I decided that I could revert to my old self and get girls that way... and failed miserably. I have to change to get girls, and that is the choice I have to make. And with choices, come consequences as the old cliche goes. With my current attitude towards women, I will never be able to have an emotionally rewarding relationship of any kind with any female, as my physical desires are much more than my emotional desires after 19 years(I'm 20 now) of no sex and no girlfriends, and I can only look at women as sex objects now, even if they do share common interests as me. And I fully well realize that if I go back to my old self I'll scare away the women I'm currently "using" ( this happened with my FWB )....