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Mantus · 11-30-2003, 11:10 AM

Good question prosequence,

Some one once told me that the only god worth having is one that interacts with humanity. Otherwise it doesn’t matter if one exists or not. I whole-heartedly agree with this.

I would say that proof of god, would have to be knowledge of not just the concept of god; but knowledge of a carnal and objective nature of god. For the actions that we perform based on our knowledge of god are very real.

Yet we must ask, what if a concept is actually correct. This takes us to the next topic, that of faith.

Faith is simply staking one’s bet that one’s knowledge is correct. Faith is in no way irrational. It is based on odds. I have faith that the sun will come up tomorrow because it has always come up. It may not, but the odds are it will, therefore I will act accordingly. If I worry about the sun not coming up tomorrow then my life would be rather difficult. Therefore I must suppress my anxiety about there being a chance of my knowledge being flawed and go on with my life. I have faith in the sun rising tomorrow.

Yet if we base our actions on imagined concepts rather then corporeal knowledge then we have a very high chance that our actions are unjustified.

When it comes to the concept of god the problem that too many people run into is that they do not separate the borrowed real aspects of religion and god from the subjective aspects. For example: people have faith in god and notice that they are moral. At this point people see that god (a concept) brings froth morality (an real subject), and therefore if god is connected with a subject in reality then god must be real as well. The flaw here is that any person can become moral without faith in god, morality is only connected to god if one makes a conscious decision to do so.

The reason this happens is because of the fact that concepts borrow from reality. Concepts do this to seem more probable, for improbable concepts are useless. Religion does this as well. The ideas of science, philosophy, ethics and spirituality are all borrowed from humanity. They existed before the concept of god and will exist without the concept of god. The only knowledge that we should be concerned with is that of the actual godly being[s].

Therefore we must ask: what knowledge do we have of god? I say that we have none, at least none that is great enough to have faith in.

11-30-2003, 11:10 AM	#97 (permalink)
Mantus lascivious	Good question prosequence, Some one once told me that the only god worth having is one that interacts with humanity. Otherwise it doesn’t matter if one exists or not. I whole-heartedly agree with this. I would say that proof of god, would have to be knowledge of not just the concept of god; but knowledge of a carnal and objective nature of god. For the actions that we perform based on our knowledge of god are very real. Yet we must ask, what if a concept is actually correct. This takes us to the next topic, that of faith. Faith is simply staking one’s bet that one’s knowledge is correct. Faith is in no way irrational. It is based on odds. I have faith that the sun will come up tomorrow because it has always come up. It may not, but the odds are it will, therefore I will act accordingly. If I worry about the sun not coming up tomorrow then my life would be rather difficult. Therefore I must suppress my anxiety about there being a chance of my knowledge being flawed and go on with my life. I have faith in the sun rising tomorrow. Yet if we base our actions on imagined concepts rather then corporeal knowledge then we have a very high chance that our actions are unjustified. When it comes to the concept of god the problem that too many people run into is that they do not separate the borrowed real aspects of religion and god from the subjective aspects. For example: people have faith in god and notice that they are moral. At this point people see that god (a concept) brings froth morality (an real subject), and therefore if god is connected with a subject in reality then god must be real as well. The flaw here is that any person can become moral without faith in god, morality is only connected to god if one makes a conscious decision to do so. The reason this happens is because of the fact that concepts borrow from reality. Concepts do this to seem more probable, for improbable concepts are useless. Religion does this as well. The ideas of science, philosophy, ethics and spirituality are all borrowed from humanity. They existed before the concept of god and will exist without the concept of god. The only knowledge that we should be concerned with is that of the actual godly being[s]. Therefore we must ask: what knowledge do we have of god? I say that we have none, at least none that is great enough to have faith in.