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SecretMethod70 · 11-30-2003, 10:33 AM

Alright, I FINALLY saw Revolutions and loved it. In fact, thank you to all the people who hated it in this thread for making me realize just HOW MUCH I loved it.

I've got to say - and I don't mean this in any way as a jab to anyone - but every single explanation I've ever heard for people disliking it is boiled down to one of three things: either 1) you missed one or many points that, frankly, were not that hard at all to extrapolate from what we're given in the movies, 2) you're simply upset because the movies didn't end the way YOU envisioned them to - and this is an understandable reason to dislike a movie to a certain extent, but not with as much malice as it seems many do, or 3) you can't look past the very few minor inconsistancies that there are in the movies (and by few I mean a couple, because most "inconsistancies" are actually not if you're willing to put the pieces of the puzzle together).

The movie was amazing - period. I'm not going to get into the many different things I saw criticized in this thread and explain them - at least not now - because I simply can't remember them all. But, I will point out that the sunrise ending really did have a lot of significance. The lack of green overtones as mentioned is not something that only a fanboy would notice - when symbolism like that is used throughout THREE entire movies, it's the kind of thing that most people paying attention should see. And the little girl wasn't pointless either - she was given a purpose to control the sunrise in the Matrix. That's why the oracle asked her if she "did that."

One thing I can say though is that, generally speaking, these three movies are a GREAT example why Square will never make a Final Fantasy VII game. Most EVERYONE love the original MAtrix movie and in the years between it and these 2, everyone came up with their own expectations as to what would happen. It was IMPOSSIBLE to meet everyone's expectations, so they weren't. Instead they simply did what they planned on doing all along - and if you watch the first movie with a keen eye you can see the seed being planted right away, i.e. the screen of televisions.

And, lastly, since I'm going on a rant here and there are so many things I want to say that I really have no structure to this post, I just wanted to address Neo's "powers" in the real world. The simple answer is, he didn't have any "powers" per se. At the end of the first movie, Neo and Smith joined. At that point, Smith became Neo's opposite and, like Smith said in the second movie, there was something of Neo left in him. That something was a little bit of Neo's humanity. Likewise, Neo took away from the experience a little bit of Smith's connection to the machines. Neo never had more strength or anything like that in the real world - he only had an innate connection to the machines. When he was blinded, all he could see was things related to the machines. He could not see Trinity or anything associated with humans in any way - only everything associated with machines.

Also, just like Morpheus said at some point in the trilogy, what happened could not have happened any other way. It's an exploration of purpose and everything fulfilled its purpose exactly as it should have. Trinity HAD to die AT THAT POINT or else Neo could not have let go of his life and done what he needed to do. The Oracle HAD to be absorbed by Smith or else Neo could not have realized what he had to do. Bane HAD to blind Neo or else he couldn't have realized the vision he was capable of and led them to the destination they had to go to in the Machine City. Everything simply HAD to happen the way that it did - it was inevitable. It was fate. It's really amazing how WELL everything is tied together.

Anyway, now that I've done nothing but rant on, I think I'll stop here and just say, once again, that this movie ROCKED.

EDIT: And, by the way, the first thing I said at the end of the movie was "I don't get it." I could have stopped there and not put my brain to work as to putting the pieces of the puzzle together, but I didn't - I thought and discussed and, for that, I am grateful, because now I am able to look on the trilogy as the great thing that it is.

EDIT2: Oh yeah, and if you haven't already then this is a good read for some of the less-specific symbolism of the movie: http://www.corporatemofo.com/stories/031109matrix.htm

11-30-2003, 10:33 AM	#329 (permalink)
SecretMethod70 Human Administrator Location: Chicago	Alright, I FINALLY saw Revolutions and loved it. In fact, thank you to all the people who hated it in this thread for making me realize just HOW MUCH I loved it. I've got to say - and I don't mean this in any way as a jab to anyone - but every single explanation I've ever heard for people disliking it is boiled down to one of three things: either 1) you missed one or many points that, frankly, were not that hard at all to extrapolate from what we're given in the movies, 2) you're simply upset because the movies didn't end the way YOU envisioned them to - and this is an understandable reason to dislike a movie to a certain extent, but not with as much malice as it seems many do, or 3) you can't look past the very few minor inconsistancies that there are in the movies (and by few I mean a couple, because most "inconsistancies" are actually not if you're willing to put the pieces of the puzzle together). The movie was amazing - period. I'm not going to get into the many different things I saw criticized in this thread and explain them - at least not now - because I simply can't remember them all. But, I will point out that the sunrise ending really did have a lot of significance. The lack of green overtones as mentioned is not something that only a fanboy would notice - when symbolism like that is used throughout THREE entire movies, it's the kind of thing that most people paying attention should see. And the little girl wasn't pointless either - she was given a purpose to control the sunrise in the Matrix. That's why the oracle asked her if she "did that." One thing I can say though is that, generally speaking, these three movies are a GREAT example why Square will never make a Final Fantasy VII game. Most EVERYONE love the original MAtrix movie and in the years between it and these 2, everyone came up with their own expectations as to what would happen. It was IMPOSSIBLE to meet everyone's expectations, so they weren't. Instead they simply did what they planned on doing all along - and if you watch the first movie with a keen eye you can see the seed being planted right away, i.e. the screen of televisions. And, lastly, since I'm going on a rant here and there are so many things I want to say that I really have no structure to this post, I just wanted to address Neo's "powers" in the real world. The simple answer is, he didn't have any "powers" per se. At the end of the first movie, Neo and Smith joined. At that point, Smith became Neo's opposite and, like Smith said in the second movie, there was something of Neo left in him. That something was a little bit of Neo's humanity. Likewise, Neo took away from the experience a little bit of Smith's connection to the machines. Neo never had more strength or anything like that in the real world - he only had an innate connection to the machines. When he was blinded, all he could see was things related to the machines. He could not see Trinity or anything associated with humans in any way - only everything associated with machines. Also, just like Morpheus said at some point in the trilogy, what happened could not have happened any other way. It's an exploration of purpose and everything fulfilled its purpose exactly as it should have. Trinity HAD to die AT THAT POINT or else Neo could not have let go of his life and done what he needed to do. The Oracle HAD to be absorbed by Smith or else Neo could not have realized what he had to do. Bane HAD to blind Neo or else he couldn't have realized the vision he was capable of and led them to the destination they had to go to in the Machine City. Everything simply HAD to happen the way that it did - it was inevitable. It was fate. It's really amazing how WELL everything is tied together. Anyway, now that I've done nothing but rant on, I think I'll stop here and just say, once again, that this movie ROCKED. EDIT: And, by the way, the first thing I said at the end of the movie was "I don't get it." I could have stopped there and not put my brain to work as to putting the pieces of the puzzle together, but I didn't - I thought and discussed and, for that, I am grateful, because now I am able to look on the trilogy as the great thing that it is. EDIT2: Oh yeah, and if you haven't already then this is a good read for some of the less-specific symbolism of the movie: http://www.corporatemofo.com/stories/031109matrix.htm __________________ Le temps détruit tout "Musicians are the carriers and communicators of spirit in the most immediate sense." - Kurt Elling Last edited by SecretMethod70; 11-30-2003 at 11:00 AM..