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Kyo · 11-12-2003, 10:09 AM

irate, I especially enjoy how you continue to refuse to state exactly what you think, rather than going on about how someone else's logic is flawed because of presupposition. If you believe I am incorrect, then produce for me your own theory for us to discuss.

As for God being all-knowing, that was the beginning assumption of this thread (see the first post):

"If God knows everything thats going to happen..."

Therefore, if God is all knowing then free will does not exist. The scope of this thread encompasses only this point - and no one has successfully argued otherwise. I believe God is omnipotent by definition - otherwise God would simply be someone who is really powerful; not that much of a philosophical leap up from humans. Taken in that context, God could very easily be a member of an alien race who is performing a biological experiment with our universe. Somehow this does not strike me as the image of God that His worshippers have envisioned.

However, for the sake of argument, let us consider the case where God is not all-knowing. Where, then, is the problem? If God is not all-knowing, then what we do is entirely our own choice, provided God does not actively interfere. If the future is not yet written, there is nothing to dictate exactly which course the present shall take, besides the boundaries of the 'possible' and the 'probable.'

The problem the way you have posed it, then, degenerates into a discussion of whether God is all-knowing or not, and frankly, I believe it impossible to form any kind of logical conclusion to such a question.

11-12-2003, 10:09 AM	#61 (permalink)
Kyo Crazy	irate, I especially enjoy how you continue to refuse to state exactly what you think, rather than going on about how someone else's logic is flawed because of presupposition. If you believe I am incorrect, then produce for me your own theory for us to discuss. As for God being all-knowing, that was the beginning assumption of this thread (see the first post): "If God knows everything thats going to happen..." Therefore, if God is all knowing then free will does not exist. The scope of this thread encompasses only this point - and no one has successfully argued otherwise. I believe God is omnipotent by definition - otherwise God would simply be someone who is really powerful; not that much of a philosophical leap up from humans. Taken in that context, God could very easily be a member of an alien race who is performing a biological experiment with our universe. Somehow this does not strike me as the image of God that His worshippers have envisioned. However, for the sake of argument, let us consider the case where God is not all-knowing. Where, then, is the problem? If God is not all-knowing, then what we do is entirely our own choice, provided God does not actively interfere. If the future is not yet written, there is nothing to dictate exactly which course the present shall take, besides the boundaries of the 'possible' and the 'probable.' The problem the way you have posed it, then, degenerates into a discussion of whether God is all-knowing or not, and frankly, I believe it impossible to form any kind of logical conclusion to such a question. __________________ Sure I have a heart; it's floating in a jar in my closet, along with my tonsils, my appendix, and all of the other useless organs I ripped out.