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gakface, in all fairness... there have been statements of supposed irrefutable truth from both sides of the discussion.
i'm not too sure about the idea that if God didn't exist, we would make him up anyway. it seems like if we had no inner knowledge of God, the thought wouldn't occur to us. kind of like the argument that we would never know it was dark unless we had some idea of what light is. how do we know what wrong is if we have not some external guidance of what right is?
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