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dragonhawk · 11-06-2003, 08:31 AM

SPOILERS

Okay here are my thoughts on this guys take and questions:::

Even though "Revolutions" takes place only in the span of a few hours immediately following "Reloaded," some of our characters have taken, quite suddenly, to using informal nicknames with one another, such as "Merv" and "Trin."
***Gotta give him this one*****

In "The Matrix" we were told that agents must obey the physical laws inherent in the matrix. Morpheus says, "Men have emptied entire clips at them and hit nothing but air, yet their strength and their speed are still based in a world that is built on rules. Because of that, they will never be as strong or as fast as you can be." Not anymore. In "Revolutions," Agent Smith can do everything Neo can.
*****We find out that Smith takes on part of anyone he absorbs, (The Oracle eyes for instance) He and Neo had joined code before. Since Smith had taken over the WHOLE Matrix by the last fight, he had taken on all of the weird stuff too (Vampires, Merv, etc.) He just grew new powers.*****

In "Revolutions" we meet computer programs who feel love and appreciate karma, but later we're assured that machines always keep their word, since betrayal is a human trait.
*****Nope, the Arcitect said that. The Oracle had already said he only sees things as code, variables, etc. He wouldn't have "human traits" *****

Neo survives being driven into concrete so forcefully that he creates a 30-foot crater. (The wonderful site Insultingly Stupid Movie Physics will have a field day with "Revolutions.") Yet what finally fells him is a punch to the gut. There may still be some rules in the matrix governing Neo, but they appear and disappear arbitrarily.
*****Duh, they are in a video game where they can change the rules. Deal with it. They punch wasn't a punch either. Smith was interfacing with Neo at that point.*****

When confronted with a single sentinel in "The Matrix," a frightened Trinity tells Neo that the electromagnetic pulse is mankind's only weapon against these devilish devices. In "Revolutions," simple machine guns prove quite effective and all ships seem to be equipped with them. Is this a small inconsistency? Yes, except that it makes the tension of the closing minutes in "The Matrix" a complete contrivance.
*****Gotta give them this one too... I would have built EMPs in every freaking tunnel between me and the machines*****

The same can be said for the process of jacking in and out of the matrix. In the first movie, much of the drama concerns finding safe lines to jump into and out of the matrix. This process has become such an afterthought in "Revolutions" that jacking in is done smoothly, quickly, and always off-screen.
*****It was cool at one point. Been there, done that, move one*****

The list of glaring inconsistencies goes on.
*****Let's hear them*****

Worse still, is the way "Revolutions" abandons the larger thematic issues. The climactic moment in "Reloaded" comes when Neo meets the Architect and learns that Morpheus has his chronology wrong, that there have been several matrixes and Zions. The Architect then gives a long mathematical explanation of what Neo is:

Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden assiduously avoided, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably, here. …

The function of the One is now to return to the source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female, 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race.

Pretty big news. In "Revolutions" barely a word is spoken about any of this. In the end, "Revolutions" settles down to a fairly explicit Christian allegory, but even here the Wachowski brothers are confused: Neo is a warrior and if you strip out the symbols, he resembles Muhammad as much as Christ.
*****Not completely Christian. These movies take a lot from Gnostic Christianity, Budisim, etc. He didn't do all of his research*****

UnlikedOne, the audio in our theater was strange too. Some parts were NOT LOUD ENOUGH, and others (like the Machine Head) I could barley understand

I liked the movie. 3.5 / 5 stars.

11-06-2003, 08:31 AM	#189 (permalink)
dragonhawk Psycho Location: In Games.	SPOILERS Okay here are my thoughts on this guys take and questions::: Even though "Revolutions" takes place only in the span of a few hours immediately following "Reloaded," some of our characters have taken, quite suddenly, to using informal nicknames with one another, such as "Merv" and "Trin." *Gotta give him this one* In "The Matrix" we were told that agents must obey the physical laws inherent in the matrix. Morpheus says, "Men have emptied entire clips at them and hit nothing but air, yet their strength and their speed are still based in a world that is built on rules. Because of that, they will never be as strong or as fast as you can be." Not anymore. In "Revolutions," Agent Smith can do everything Neo can. *We find out that Smith takes on part of anyone he absorbs, (The Oracle eyes for instance) He and Neo had joined code before. Since Smith had taken over the WHOLE Matrix by the last fight, he had taken on all of the weird stuff too (Vampires, Merv, etc.) He just grew new powers.* In "Revolutions" we meet computer programs who feel love and appreciate karma, but later we're assured that machines always keep their word, since betrayal is a human trait. *Nope, the Arcitect said that. The Oracle had already said he only sees things as code, variables, etc. He wouldn't have "human traits" * Neo survives being driven into concrete so forcefully that he creates a 30-foot crater. (The wonderful site Insultingly Stupid Movie Physics will have a field day with "Revolutions.") Yet what finally fells him is a punch to the gut. There may still be some rules in the matrix governing Neo, but they appear and disappear arbitrarily. *Duh, they are in a video game where they can change the rules. Deal with it. They punch wasn't a punch either. Smith was interfacing with Neo at that point.* When confronted with a single sentinel in "The Matrix," a frightened Trinity tells Neo that the electromagnetic pulse is mankind's only weapon against these devilish devices. In "Revolutions," simple machine guns prove quite effective and all ships seem to be equipped with them. Is this a small inconsistency? Yes, except that it makes the tension of the closing minutes in "The Matrix" a complete contrivance. *Gotta give them this one too... I would have built EMPs in every freaking tunnel between me and the machines* The same can be said for the process of jacking in and out of the matrix. In the first movie, much of the drama concerns finding safe lines to jump into and out of the matrix. This process has become such an afterthought in "Revolutions" that jacking in is done smoothly, quickly, and always off-screen. *It was cool at one point. Been there, done that, move one* The list of glaring inconsistencies goes on. *Let's hear them* Worse still, is the way "Revolutions" abandons the larger thematic issues. The climactic moment in "Reloaded" comes when Neo meets the Architect and learns that Morpheus has his chronology wrong, that there have been several matrixes and Zions. The Architect then gives a long mathematical explanation of what Neo is: Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden assiduously avoided, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably, here. … The function of the One is now to return to the source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female, 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race. Pretty big news. In "Revolutions" barely a word is spoken about any of this. In the end, "Revolutions" settles down to a fairly explicit Christian allegory, but even here the Wachowski brothers are confused: Neo is a warrior and if you strip out the symbols, he resembles Muhammad as much as Christ. *Not completely Christian. These movies take a lot from Gnostic Christianity, Budisim, etc. He didn't do all of his research*** UnlikedOne, the audio in our theater was strange too. Some parts were NOT LOUD ENOUGH, and others (like the Machine Head) I could barley understand I liked the movie. 3.5 / 5 stars. __________________ ---------------------------------------------- "Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr.