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Originally posted by Moskie
Furthermore, you mention that the fight with the asian dude shows that the Oracle is protected, that people need to prove themselves to visit the oracle, and that people need to fight this guy in order to do that. But it begs the question: why does the audience care? Why do we care if the Oracle is protected? Or if they have to fight this guy to see her? It just seems like an excuse for some Kung Fu. I think a similar argument can be made for the other scenes you brought up, as well.
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People like the Matrix because of it's fight scenes. The first one wasn't popular because of the acting or depth -- it was known for its over the top action scenes and original plot. Going to see Reloaded and not wanting to see fight scenes is like going to see Any Given Sunday and wanting them to take the football out of it. The oracle being protected shows that she's important and also gives the reason why she hasn't been deleted by the agents yet.
Asking for Neo not to kiss Persephone is just erasing a sideplot of the movie, masking the Merovingian and Persephone's marital troubles. The point of the Smith vs Neo fight was the point of the entire movie: to show what they can do with martial arts and special effects. That was the point of the first movie as well...it just so happened that the Wachowskis are great writers and directors. That's what made The Matrix stand out from other action movies. Hell, that's what makes Reloaded stand out -- it's over the top action scenes and incredibly in-depth plot. Without either of these, the point of the movie would be gone. If you want either of these taken out of the movie, then you're watching it for the wrong reasons.
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Originally posted by Moskie
I respectfully disagree with this on a couple of levels. First, before the Keymaker and the Architect are computer programs, they're characters in a movie. Having characters with these names, for whatever reason, is hamfisted and preachy. Also, computer programs (especially ones that take human form) can have normal names. "Agent Smith" for example. I think its a great name. And now I see in Revolutions that there's "The Trainman." 
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Yes, the Keymaker and Architect are characters in a movie, but NOT before they're computer programs. That defines them in the movie and defines why they have names like that. Agent Smith has the name Agent because he's...an agent, not a computer program. He would have a different name if he weren't an agent. His name is simply Smith in Reloaded because he's now basically a virus.
The Trainman sounds weird, I'll give you that. I'll have to see how it correlates to the movie.
-Lasereth