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Originally posted by irateplatypus
i don't think its completely necessary to assume that since God may know all our actions that we have no choice. Just because I know my roommate won't wash the dishes doesn't mean that he doesn't have the choice to wash the dishes in the first place. Granted, I don't "know" he won't in the sense that I'm completely certain. But, maybe God is so in tune (more so than i am w/my roommate) with the universe that he is able to "know" these things w/out actually infringing on our ability to make a choice.
There is also a good chance that we are not able to comprehend God's perspective on time, especially with the assumptions made about God in this particular discussion.
hmm...
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You're still missing the point. If someone knows, with absolute certainty, what you are going to do, what choice do you have?
Consider this: Given some event X, you have choices A, B, and C. Now, God knows (and has known since time immemorable), that you will pick A. Where are your choices? You will pick A. Sure, you have the 'choice' of A, B, and C - but in reality you had no choice at all.
The misconception is that God needs to actually
do something to take away our free will. In other words, he has to actively steer the course of events by directly (through mind control or gentle suggestion, or whatever means God deems necessary) manipulating people. This is not true at all. Simply by knowing everything (and
doing nothing), God has made our 'free will' and our 'choice' a happy illusion.