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The_Dunedan · 10-30-2003, 08:58 AM

Actually, Joker, that's exactly what is -does- say, especially if read in context with the Militia Act.
The Militia Act defines as "Militia" all males between 17 and 45. In 1789, this basically meant anyone who was capable of serving in a combat capacity in the military. This could be extrapolated to include all persons over 17 today. The Militia, therefore, means everyone.
The Militia Act was amended with the passage of the National Gaurd Act in 1913. The Nat'l Gaurd Act defined the Militia as:
A: The Nat'l Gaurds themselves ( the Organized Militia ) AND
B: Everyone Else ( The Unorganized Militia ).
So, both the Consitiution itself and Federal Law define the 2nd as an Individual Right. Furthermore, the writings of the Founders ( letters, diaries, etc etc ) make it ABUNDENTLY clear that they meant for the 2nd, like the other first 8 Amendments, to apply to individuals. If you are, according to the Militia Act and Nat'l Gaurd Act, a member of the Militia ( I am, and so is everyone else over age 17 ) then yes, you have the right to own firearms. Of whatever type you like; statist nonsense like NFA34, GCA68, Brady, AWB etc etc notwithstanding.
The phrase "well regulated" comes up for debate alot; many people interpret it as meaning "well controlled." In 1798, however, the word "regulated" simply meant "functioning in proper order." In some circles it still does; a clock which is Regulated has been certified to keep accurate time, for instance. In modern language, the 2nd could be translated as;
"A properly functioning militia ( as defined above ) being nessesary..."
The final arguement is this; the words "the People" have, in the case of every other amendment, been universally acknowledged as meaning individuals; you, me, Joe Blow on the street. So how is it that when the same words ( the People ) are used in the 2nd Amendement, they suddenly, magically, mean "the States" instead of "the People?"

10-30-2003, 08:58 AM	#7 (permalink)
The_Dunedan Junkie	Actually, Joker, that's exactly what is -does- say, especially if read in context with the Militia Act. The Militia Act defines as "Militia" all males between 17 and 45. In 1789, this basically meant anyone who was capable of serving in a combat capacity in the military. This could be extrapolated to include all persons over 17 today. The Militia, therefore, means everyone. The Militia Act was amended with the passage of the National Gaurd Act in 1913. The Nat'l Gaurd Act defined the Militia as: A: The Nat'l Gaurds themselves ( the Organized Militia ) AND B: Everyone Else ( The Unorganized Militia ). So, both the Consitiution itself and Federal Law define the 2nd as an Individual Right. Furthermore, the writings of the Founders ( letters, diaries, etc etc ) make it ABUNDENTLY clear that they meant for the 2nd, like the other first 8 Amendments, to apply to individuals. If you are, according to the Militia Act and Nat'l Gaurd Act, a member of the Militia ( I am, and so is everyone else over age 17 ) then yes, you have the right to own firearms. Of whatever type you like; statist nonsense like NFA34, GCA68, Brady, AWB etc etc notwithstanding. The phrase "well regulated" comes up for debate alot; many people interpret it as meaning "well controlled." In 1798, however, the word "regulated" simply meant "functioning in proper order." In some circles it still does; a clock which is Regulated has been certified to keep accurate time, for instance. In modern language, the 2nd could be translated as; "A properly functioning militia ( as defined above ) being nessesary..." The final arguement is this; the words "the People" have, in the case of every other amendment, been universally acknowledged as meaning individuals; you, me, Joe Blow on the street. So how is it that when the same words ( the People ) are used in the 2nd Amendement, they suddenly, magically, mean "the States" instead of "the People?" __________________ "I personally think that America's interests would be well served if after or at the time these clowns begin their revolting little hate crime the local police come in and cart them off on some trumped up charges or other. It is necessary in my opinion that America makes an example of them to the world." --Strange Famous, advocating the use of falsified charges in order to shut people up.