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Originally posted by mml
I think that many who are pushing the Reparations Movement are doing so to reiterate the difficulties that face blacks and the ongoing limitations that society has placed upon them. The hope is that greater attention will be paid to the lack of good education, job triaining, healthcare etc... in the predominately minority inner cities.
I could be way off base here, but I can't imagine that intelligent, thoughtful individuals could see the possibility of Reparations being realistic or even a good thing for America as a whole.
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actually, that's the thing, there do seem to be people who are intelligent who really think that it should be and is realistic. i brought this up because of two articles i read recently. one of them was about a black lady who is being prosecuted for tax fraud because her father misfiled her taxes, leading to a $500,000 return. And she spent it in a week or two. Appearantly, there were a lot of people who claimed reperations on their taxes, but most were caught in the processing. There had been a rumor going around that the govt. was giving them, and i guess some beleived it, but the father said they were owed it. anyways, the article was on yahoo news 4 or 5 days ago, i think, so if you want to look for it. the other article wasn't all that special, just that some lady wanted them and had a meeting about it.
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Originally posted by Sparhawk
I think reperations through cash settlements are unsettling to me personally. However, reperations in the form of affirmative action I am very much in favor of. They have so much stacked against them that a little help in the admissions process is not a big deal.
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well, AA actually has nothing to do with reperations. it happens to be something that i have a big problem with, but that's for another thread.
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Originally posted by The_Dude
that's an extremely blanketing statement.
do all black people that attend college have lower scores and get their feels and housing paid for?
look @ colin powell or condolizza rice.
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how do you know that powell or rice didnt' have lower scores than the rest of their entering class at college? while it may be that they were at the top of their class, we don't know. for all we know, the black kid sitting across the library from you did get in with lower scores. but because of AA, blacks aren't held to the same standards as whites (and indians, dots, not feathers,). so when i'm in a group working on a class project, is the black kid in it really up to the universities standards, or is he not and am i gonna worry that he may be a weak link the group?
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Originally posted by Darkblack
This thread wasn't about affirmative action but I will let you know why it is needed. See in your high school you had good teachers and enough money to pay for supplies, air conditioning, field trips, etc. A lot of black people live in inner city area's where they get none of that. So to help young black people move up and out of the ghetto we let them get into college with a bit lower scores because they didn't get the education you did. They qualify for scholar ships because they do not have the money to go to school. Should only the rich be allowed to get higher education? I bet you could have gotten some scholar ships also if you looked into it. I wrote about 7 essays and got 8k towards my education. I put in a lot of work to get help. I don't think this is unfair.
Also, if they are there for a "free ride" they will flunk out. Stop being a hater. At least they are getting an education. I don't consider busting your ass to get a college education a "free ride"
My point is you had parents that could help you get a start. That was my only point.
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so then your point is that blacks should get an adavantage, an educational handout, because of their parents are don't know how to parent and are lacking the basic social responsibilities of a parent?
i have no problem with people, any people, getting scholorships. if they're earned. i have a problem with race being a qualification for getting one. if i started a scholorship for whites only, people would throw a shit-fit. but no one has a problem with black only scholorships. i would support economically based awards though. cause a poor black kid in the 'hood isn't any worse off than a poor white kid there.
also, i have to disagree with your thoughts on why AA is needed. giving people a boost because they came from a poor urban school. last time i checked, you don't need a computer in the classroom to learn. i didn't have one at my highschool, and i went to an uppermiddleclass white highschool in the third richest county in the US. you don't need calculators, or new books to learn either. a ten year old math book is just as good as a brand new one as long as it is in decent physical shape. throwing money at schools hasn't helped, because money isn't the problem. also, i don't think that the teachers in the poor urban school are any worse than those in other schools, at least in general. the problem in urban schools seems to stem more from a lack of desire to learn on the part of the students, and those who do wish to learn can't because of their peers. one of my friends works in an inner city school in detroit, another in baltimore (and she student taught in harlem). both of them have told me that the students don't really want to learn or be there, because they could be out making a shit load of money selling drugs, or doing something that they consider more worthwhile. and the parents don't care. there are students that do, but as a whole, they're rare.
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Originally posted by Apex Shok
[BReparations are silly and should not be done. Besides I got Casinos  [/B]
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and that is why me and my wallet hate you.
