Damn, I should have gotten in early. I must say, some of these responses are
frightening! I only read the first and last page 'cause I have much to say but can't bear to read all six pages. So, I'm probably missing opportunities to comment but I don't need more of those. I've got plenty already!
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Originally posted by RatherThanWords
Just today I thought of a new take on this for pro lifers.
Slavery was abolished years ago. That means that one person has no right to own another person. By a pro-choicer saying that a woman has a right to choose whether or not she wants to have an abortion, he is saying that she in fact is the "owner" of that child. Now on that note, should abortion be illegal under anti-slavery laws?
I also just thought of this. If you think about it, people call it "pro-choice" Is that because the true name, "pro-death" sounds much to harsh?
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Give me a break. They call it "pro-choice" because they wanted to find a descriptive term for their stance. "Pro-life" is called that because it's life, always. "Pro-death" would be killing
every child, always. You're comment is just inflammatory with little content. Something more constructive would be appreciated...
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Originally posted by BBtB
Sperm hits egg its a life. Period. Try to justify it all you want. Whatever lets you sleep at night. With that said. There are alot of murders and rapist and theives in the night out there. I can not right every wrong. I will not say wether someone can or can not have an abortion EXCEPT if and when it is my child. Say what you want but just because it came out of you it is no more yours then mine. If I got a girl pregnant (wether she be my wife,girlfriend or just some chick) and she got an abortion against my wishes (and it would be) then I would kill her. Its as simple as that. I don't buy all that "Its my body" bullshit. Yea well its MY child. If you want to squirt one out and leave then fine. I can raise my own child just fine. Thats not how I would want it to be of course but I would manage. I expect you to pay child support and if you do not then don't expect to ever see your child. But if she did go and get an abortion done behind my back then I would quite literally put an end to her life. I don't care if I was put away for life or give the death sentance or whatever. I would go to my grave feeling it to be justified.
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This stance and Stiltzkin's support of it is frightening. I can only suppose you two belong to the set of people who don't see the irony of bombing abortion clinics or murdering abortionists.
Even if a guilty party won't be punished by the legal system, you are willing to give them a punishment
greater than the legal system would have given them? I know of no state that gives capital punishment for a simple murder.
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Originally posted by svt
Question:What's the difference between a child a day before it's born and the day it's born?.... Answer: Nothing.
So abortion is not murder if the child is in the womb, but 2 seconds later when it's out its murder?.... It makes absolutely no sense. If you want to give anyone a choice give it to the child about to be inhumanely killed. And yes, it is inhumane. If you don't believe me read the true life story in Sallie Risdales' short story " We do abortions here: A Nurse's Story"
Me being a man makes my understanding much different than that of a womans. I also think the man should have a "choice" in the matter, afterall he did half the work.
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First, it's debatable how much work he has done up to the time of birth.
Secondly, and more importantly, your point is rhetoric (something I despise). Yes, I agree that there is no difference between just before birth and just after birth. Pro-choice people
also believe this, which is why you can't have an abortion
just before birth. Of course, you know this and made this statement to try to make the Pro-life stance seem ludicrous to anyone without any analytical skills (which, I'm sure there are plenty). I think the limit is 24 weeks from coneption, which is a far cry from just before birth. Now, whether that's too much is a different and valid issue but not the one you were trying to address. Again, please be more constructive in your criticism...
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Originally posted by matthew330
"there is no correlation between unplanned pregnancies and the subsequent abuse of the children - in fact, it is most often the wanted children who are abused. For instance, a study of 674 battered children in California found that 91% of the children were wanted, compared to 63% for the control groups nationally. [6] I have not yet seen a study (and I have read a large amount of pro-choice material) that correlates the two.
Child abuse has also increased by 500% since abortion was legalized in 1973."
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This is an egregiously specious argument and I implore you from making conclusions based on this type of thinking in the future.
Most children who were battered were wanted because most children were wanted. The statistic doesn't say anything about what percentage of the aborted children would have been battered had they'd been born. I know that might have been hard to understand so think about the 9% that
didn't want their child. If they didn't want the child, why did they not get an abortion? Suppose everyone that didn't want their child got an abortion. That would mean that 100% of the children that were battered were wanted! How does this support the claim that abortion causes more child abuse?
Also, who are these control groups? This statistic might be evidence if the control groups were pockets of the US where abortion was illegal but I highly doubt that's the case! Even then, they still wouldn't be conclusive...
The last statistic also indicates nothing except a
vague correlation. It's not at all pedantic to say this. Maybe child abuse went down since 1973 (also only a correlation) and then went up by 600% after the Gulf War, which works out to be 600% from 1973! Would that mean the Gulf War caused child abuse? This statistic alone indicates nothing, not to mention it's nameless source...
Now, I do have an opinion but I'll save them for another post...