gwr_gwir

oy. lots of back and forth posts, close to half of which go off topic in some way, from what I've seen of it, in this discussion. let me see if I can get this straight, now... in no real order, and from no real viewpoint, these below. (my own views, I won't express currently).

Question 1 - When the fetus/baby may be called "alive" - at conception, at awareness, or at birth.

Question 2 - Whether or not abortion is morally right in any given circumstance.

Question 3 - When abortion, if/when at all, may be called "murder".

Question 4 - Whether or not abortion is connected with unwanted/undesirable elements in society - for example, child abuse and/or rape - and whether it creates a rise or fall in any and/or all of the given categories of undesirables.

Of course, the answers seem to vary based on personal opinion and religion, and with the arguments back and forth, I haven't seen a definite answer to any of the first three questions, and only a vague answer or so to the 4th.

Is that summary of the questions correct, then?

Edit: (Question 5) also, on the subject of the government and restriction of freedoms - where does that begin and end? with censorship of speech and books, with no end in sight, with prohibitions on weaponry, with the justice system we have set up as based on a certain moral point of view, what/where?

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